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will/did you take a shower during the 9 days?

regularly
49 (42.2%)
only when im really sweaty
25 (21.6%)
only erev shabbos
11 (9.5%)
normal hot shower
5 (4.3%)
2 minute lukewarm shower
12 (10.3%)
uncomfortably cold shower.
7 (6%)
never
7 (6%)

Total Members Voted: 116

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Re: Did/Will You Take A Shower This Week?
« Reply #30 on: August 09, 2016, 10:36:45 PM »
I ONLY shower in the 9 days, rest of the year I go all natural..
i take a shower once a month whether i need it or not
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Re: Did/Will You Take A Shower This Week?
« Reply #31 on: August 09, 2016, 10:41:18 PM »
Well, then you did not learn the Haluches. Or if your LOR told you so,  then HE did not learn.
Why do people think that Yiddishkeit/Halacha is about auto-responses? If it were that way we wouldn't need Rabbonim, Moirei Horo'o, and for that matter we could probably eliminate 90% of Halacha Seforim.

The psak that I heard several times is that as long as it's not לתענוג but something that you would do any other day of the year, it's a non-issue (frequency, temp, etc). The halachos about bathing in the 9 days were written in a different time and place, when bathing was a luxury and wasn't a daily routine (nor was hot, or for that matter running water).
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Re: Did/Will You Take A Shower This Week?
« Reply #32 on: August 09, 2016, 10:41:45 PM »
Don't ask stupid questions and you won't get stupid answers

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Re: Did/Will You Take A Shower This Week?
« Reply #33 on: August 09, 2016, 10:46:22 PM »
What part of that says to shower less frequently? I can only decipher it from the last sentence, which says to refrain from bathing (entirely) - but even that says "it is proper," implying that's beyond the letter of the law. Will look into the Hebrew sources tomorrow.

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Re: Did/Will You Take A Shower This Week?
« Reply #34 on: August 09, 2016, 11:04:13 PM »
You can say what you think when you think what you say.

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Re: Did/Will You Take A Shower This Week?
« Reply #35 on: August 09, 2016, 11:07:59 PM »
Why do people think that Yiddishkeit/Halacha is about auto-responses? If it were that way we wouldn't need Rabbonim, Moirei Horo'o, and for that matter we could probably eliminate 90% of Halacha Seforim.

The psak that I heard several times is that as long as it's not לתענוג but something that you would do any other day of the year, it's a non-issue (frequency, temp, etc). The halachos about bathing in the 9 days were written in a different time and place, when bathing was a luxury and wasn't a daily routine (nor was hot, or for that matter running water).
Well if you want to go around the rules we can figure that out. But the rule is what it is.

@Yehuda you made me work D minutes to resize the pic, next time just look it up your self ;)
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Re: Did/Will You Take A Shower This Week?
« Reply #36 on: August 09, 2016, 11:13:51 PM »
The fact is that when this halacha was written people took showers very infrequently. Written into the halacha is a heter for someone who is very uncomfortable not showering. Nowadays that most people shower every day, it's pretty clear that it is allowed.

The people who don't shower are taking a very stringent reading that 99% of people shouldn't shower and only that rare freak who neeeds to can shower. In reality, it is more likely that most people nowadays fall into the exception for this and only the rare guy who typically is fine walking around smelly needs to make sure that his once a week shower isn't during the 9 days...
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Re: Did/Will You Take A Shower This Week?
« Reply #37 on: August 09, 2016, 11:50:28 PM »
Well if you want to go around the rules we can figure that out. But the rule is what it is.
Not looking to go around any rules c"v, just quoting what I was told, and admonishing the trend of using a sefer as a Halachic authority, rather than asking your LOR. Do we really want to get to a stage where our children will say no need for Rabbonim (except on Shabbos and Yomtov) and have a computerized posek?

Obviously  נהרא נהרא ופשטיה, which is why one should ask their LOR. When I sat shiva ל״ע and asked for guidance the first rule was that we are meikel in aveilus.
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Re: Did/Will You Take A Shower This Week?
« Reply #38 on: August 10, 2016, 01:23:39 AM »
Of course if someone is uncomfortable because he is not taking his shower he can take one using look warm water in and out, however to take a shower just because "I am used to it" is not allowed.
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Re: Did/Will You Take A Shower This Week?
« Reply #39 on: August 10, 2016, 01:31:57 AM »
Of course if someone is uncomfortable because he is not taking his shower he can take one using look warm water in and out, however to take a shower just because "I am used to it" is not allowed.
What is your definition of "uncomfortable"?

Is it this: causing or feeling unease or awkwardness
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Re: Did/Will You Take A Shower This Week?
« Reply #40 on: August 10, 2016, 01:34:09 AM »
Not looking to go around any rules c"v, just quoting what I was told, and admonishing the trend of using a sefer as a Halachic authority, rather than asking your LOR. Do we really want to get to a stage where our children will say no need for Rabbonim (except on Shabbos and Yomtov) and have a computerized posek?

Obviously  נהרא נהרא ופשטיה, which is why one should ask their LOR. When I sat shiva ל״ע and asked for guidance the first rule was that we are meikel in aveilus.
The flip side is that our kids don't know that al pi halacha, before considering exceptions (which may apply to most) it's inappropriate to shower during the 9 days.
I think it's important to know that the first place to check is to see what halacha says and to see what the seforim say. Of course the next step has to be that each should consult their own LOR. But it's important for future generations to know that Torah in all generations prohibits/discourages it, in general.

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Re: Did/Will You Take A Shower This Week?
« Reply #41 on: August 10, 2016, 01:34:48 AM »
What is your definition of "uncomfortable"?

Is it this: causing or feeling unease or awkwardness
How about: itchy?

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Re: Did/Will You Take A Shower This Week?
« Reply #42 on: August 10, 2016, 01:36:39 AM »
How about: itchy?
Not disagreeing just saying uncomfortable is a very loose term. Basically using that as a yardstick you can shower ten times a day.  :)
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Re: Did/Will You Take A Shower This Week?
« Reply #43 on: August 10, 2016, 06:58:39 AM »
@Yehuda you made me work D minutes to resize the pic, next time just look it up your self ;)
Thank you. You could have just given me the Siman/Seif. :P Anyway, I just went through it. It talks about not showering at all (similar to the Artscroll posted earlier), but doesn't say anything about taking less frequently than you normally do. I also want to clarify that this isn't something my Rav hasn't told me, I meant this is something I had never heard in HS or Yeshiva. I asked a friend who said he had heard of it, but said similar to other guys here that he didn't think it applied anymore saying that back then it really was a big deal for people to take showers/go to the bathhouse, but now we take showers every day, so a shower is not a big deal for us.

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Re: Did/Will You Take A Shower This Week?
« Reply #44 on: August 10, 2016, 08:52:43 AM »
Not looking to go around any rules c"v, just quoting what I was told, and admonishing the trend of using a sefer as a Halachic authority, rather than asking your LOR. Do we really want to get to a stage where our children will say no need for Rabbonim (except on Shabbos and Yomtov) and have a computerized posek?

Obviously  נהרא נהרא ופשטיה, which is why one should ask their LOR. When I sat shiva ל״ע and asked for guidance the first rule was that we are meikel in aveilus.
that happens to be a principle in the gemora
and thinks are certainly different than they used to be. see: showering on yomtov. tosfos says it isnt a davar hashaveh lechol nefesh.