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Re: Colin Kaepernick protest against USA
« Reply #15 on: August 28, 2016, 08:32:08 PM »
Forced gratitude is a thing?
And yes the bad is worse than other countries in certain cases.
For example, police brutality is a bigger issue in the US than in many other civilized countries.

If I had to name this religion I would call it this.
Systemic police brutality against blacks is made up. http://www.dailywire.com/news/7347/7-statistics-show-systemic-racism-doesnt-exist-aaron-bandler

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Re: Colin Kaepernick protest against USA
« Reply #16 on: August 28, 2016, 08:36:38 PM »
Forced gratitude is a thing?
And yes the bad is worse than other countries in certain cases.
For example, police brutality is a bigger issue in the US than in many other civilized countries.

If I had to name this religion I would call it this.
No ones forcing him to show gratitude, but they have the right to be disgusted by an ingrate.
I can't compare to other countries, I can't even get clear facts on police brutality in America. I'm sure it exists and is an issue that may even  warrant him getting involved in. But it's disgraceful to act as if America as a whole is a dispicable country.

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Re: Colin Kaepernick protest against USA
« Reply #17 on: August 28, 2016, 08:36:45 PM »
If white people weren't interested in stupid sports, they'd be washing toilets.

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Re: Colin Kaepernick protest against USA
« Reply #18 on: August 28, 2016, 08:38:07 PM »
Systemic police brutality against blacks is made up. http://www.dailywire.com/news/7347/7-statistics-show-systemic-racism-doesnt-exist-aaron-bandler

I know Kaepernick situation is about blacks but my point wasn't.
I was talking about police brutality in general.
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Re: Colin Kaepernick protest against USA
« Reply #19 on: August 28, 2016, 08:42:45 PM »
No ones forcing him to show gratitude, but they have the right to be disgusted by an ingrate.

This guy says it best

Everyone has the right to get disgusted or offended. But why should I care? The only thing that matters to me is that people are so goddamned judgmental.

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I can't compare to other countries, I can't even get clear facts on police brutality in America. I'm sure it exists and is an issue that may even  warrant him getting involved in. But it's disgraceful to act as if America as a whole is a dispicable country.

Well then you might want to educate yourself and return when you have the cold hard facts.
Now who said America is despicable?
If I don't like a sports team I don't watch them.
If I'm not a fan of the flag I don't need to stand up for it.
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Re: Colin Kaepernick protest against USA
« Reply #20 on: August 28, 2016, 08:46:00 PM »
This guy says it best

Everyone has the right to get disgusted or offended. But why should I care? The only thing that matters to me is that people are so goddamned judgmental.

Well then you might want to educate yourself and return when you have the cold hard facts.
Now who said America is despicable?
If I don't like a sports team I don't watch them.
If I'm not a fan of the flag I don't need to stand up for it.
I didn't make any concrete statements, you did. I'm humble enough to realize that my source of facts are from a media that always has an agenda one way or another.

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Re: Colin Kaepernick protest against USA
« Reply #21 on: August 28, 2016, 08:46:28 PM »
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Re: Colin Kaepernick protest against USA
« Reply #22 on: August 28, 2016, 08:48:28 PM »

Show me a comparison of how many criminals there are in those 2 countries.

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Re: Colin Kaepernick protest against USA
« Reply #23 on: August 28, 2016, 08:57:35 PM »
Show me a comparison of how many criminals there are in those 2 countries.

This debate would turn out to be a never ending goose chase. Despite that, the homicide rate is 5x higher in the US, but the police shooting rate is roughly 65x higher in the US.
So let's concede to my first point that America isn't so great in every aspect.
We have bad criminals and brutal cops compared to others.

Some more facts/stats that may interest you:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/09/the-counted-police-killings-us-vs-other-countries
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Re: Colin Kaepernick protest against USA
« Reply #24 on: August 28, 2016, 09:11:00 PM »
At all sports games everyone rises in honor of the US cross which represents the parcel of land they were born on. They then recite their pledge of allegiance to the cross. Those who don't believe in the US cross are still pressured to pledge allegiance to the cross or they live in fear of ostricization.
What if they rise out of respect for those that gave their lives to defend the freedom the flag represents to them?
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Re: Colin Kaepernick protest against USA
« Reply #25 on: August 28, 2016, 09:12:31 PM »
If white people weren't interested in stupid sports, they'd be washing toilets.
Who is they?
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Re: Colin Kaepernick protest against USA
« Reply #26 on: August 28, 2016, 09:17:02 PM »
What if they rise out of respect for those that gave their lives to defend the freedom the flag represents to them?

There's nothing wrong with standing up for the flag just as there's nothing wrong in sitting down.
If they find meaning in standing up for a flag, that's nice. That doesn't mean everyone feels the same way.
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Re: Colin Kaepernick protest against USA
« Reply #27 on: August 28, 2016, 09:18:52 PM »
There's nothing wrong with standing up for the flag just as there's nothing wrong in sitting down.
If they find meaning in standing up for a flag, that's nice. That doesn't mean everyone feels the same way.
My point is it has nothing in common with religion.
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Re: Colin Kaepernick protest against USA
« Reply #28 on: August 28, 2016, 09:23:07 PM »
My point is it has nothing in common with religion.

That's how you feel, I feel otherwise.
Why is the flag the only way to respect the dead?

IMHO a flag means much more than "respecting soldiers that die for the country".
And for arguments sake, it's difficult to say that the soldiers in Iraq/Vietnam/other pointless wars died defending the country.
But the flag is a reminder for them too?
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Re: Colin Kaepernick protest against USA
« Reply #29 on: August 28, 2016, 09:30:00 PM »
Why is the flag the only way to respect the dead?

And for arguments sake, it's difficult to say that the soldiers in Iraq/Vietnam/other pointless wars died defending the country.
But the flag is a reminder for them too?
1- I never said it was the only way
2 - Now you are getting into politics but yes the flag represents their sacrifice.
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