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Re: Flights cancelled - strike posibble in the coming days/weeks at El Al
« Reply #75 on: November 16, 2016, 11:49:24 AM »
I'm on tomorrows LY028 (EWR-TLV) flight. I got a message this AM that it is going to be 7 hours late. I called to get a refund and they told me that they are actually going to be flying a plane in the morning (8:20). So we'll see how it goes.

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Re: Flights cancelled - strike posibble in the coming days/weeks at El Al
« Reply #76 on: November 16, 2016, 01:19:29 PM »
As I said, messing with the flagship flight 001 is major.

Here's an article by an agent who admits to being very close to ELAL who just announced that he's suspending sales of ELAL tickets.

http://col.org.il/חדשות_חבד_EL_AL_WE_HAVE_A_PROBLEM__מילה_של_קמיסר_100848.html

I am guessing that this will now get worked out, and ELAL will slash prices in order to regain customers, which will result in other airlines matching.

ETA: FTFY
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Re: Flights cancelled - strike posibble in the coming days/weeks at El Al
« Reply #77 on: November 16, 2016, 02:55:17 PM »
From Globes today :

http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-el-al-dispute-with-pilots-escalates-1001161464


What about compensation?

The frustrated passengers can take comfort in the Aviation Services Law (Compensation and Assistance for Flight Cancellations and Changes in Conditions) - 2012, which sets compensation for cancellation of a flight under certain conditions (for example, in case of an organized strike, the airline is not legally obligated to compensate passengers).

Advocates Vered Cohen and Raanan Bar-On explain that unavailability of pilots is not classed as a reason exempting the airline from providing monetary compensation. The law stipulates compensation in the NIS 1,290-3,080 range, in addition to giving back the money the passengers paid for their tickets. Compensation is determined by the flight distance.

At the same time, Cohen and Bar-On made it clear that the airline is exempt from providing this compensation in cases in which the passengers reach compensation agreements with the airline, for example, if a passenger agrees to accept a free ticket (in addition to reimbursement for the original ticket). The same is true in a case in which the passenger was notified of the expected cancellation, and was offered an alternative flight close to the original flight (from one hour in advance of the takeoff time to two hours after the original landing time).

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Re: Flights cancelled - strike posibble in the coming days/weeks at El Al
« Reply #78 on: November 17, 2016, 03:18:07 AM »
ELAL is headed towards death....
a reason to celebrate.

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Re: Flights cancelled - strike posibble in the coming days/weeks at El Al
« Reply #79 on: November 17, 2016, 03:29:24 AM »
a reason to celebrate.
Can you give me one valid reason why that would be a good thing?

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Re: Flights cancelled - strike posibble in the coming days/weeks at El Al
« Reply #80 on: November 17, 2016, 06:28:14 AM »
Can you give me one valid reason why that would be a good thing?
It would not be good at all!!!
What may be good is if they have a huge shakeup, fire a lot of excess staff, get rid of all their ancient 747's, 767's, 737's that I remember flying on almost 20 years ago, Build a new business class into their upcoming 787's, start hiring flight attendants that aren't in their early 20's and treat the job like it's a job and lower their overhead and cost structure so that they can compete (somewhat) on price.

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Re: Flights cancelled - strike posibble in the coming days/weeks at El Al
« Reply #81 on: November 17, 2016, 07:32:27 AM »
It would not be good at all!!!
What may be good is if they have a huge shakeup, fire a lot of excess staff, get rid of all their ancient 747's, 767's, 737's that I remember flying on almost 20 years ago, Build a new business class into their upcoming 787's, start hiring flight attendants that aren't in their early 20's and treat the job like it's a job and lower their overhead and cost structure so that they can compete (somewhat) on price.
When you compete on price, you lose!

They need to compete on customer experience. They require a DNA switch in order to do that. And if that happens, who knows? Maybe even I would consider flying ELAL.

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Re: Flights cancelled - strike posibble in the coming days/weeks at El Al
« Reply #82 on: November 17, 2016, 08:02:12 AM »
Competing on price does not mean low cost. It means not consistently having higher prices on average then other airlines.

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Re: Flights cancelled - strike posibble in the coming days/weeks at El Al
« Reply #83 on: November 17, 2016, 08:08:47 AM »
Competing on price does not mean low cost. It means not consistently having higher prices on average then other airlines.
They don't (comparing to the other nonstops).

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Re: Flights cancelled - strike posibble in the coming days/weeks at El Al
« Reply #84 on: November 17, 2016, 08:15:59 AM »
Competing on price does not mean low cost. It means not consistently having higher prices on average then other airlines.

Everyone likes to bash El Al, but they really have gotten better on price.  I've seen plenty of fares that are equal to or less than other competing non-stop flights.  Business to Europe isn't the cheapest, but the product is vastly superior (King David lounge at TLV and a truly different cabin with upgraded hardware vs. Dan Lounge and economy-style seats with an empty middle seat on most European airlines).

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Re: Flights cancelled - strike posibble in the coming days/weeks at El Al
« Reply #85 on: November 17, 2016, 09:05:55 AM »
Competing on price does not mean low cost. It means not consistently having higher prices on average then other airlines.
On NYC-TLV route they are often cheaper than UA or DL, but $100 or $200 saving doesn't warrant subjecting myself to the ELAL experience (and very limited use loyalty program).

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Re: Flights cancelled - strike posibble in the coming days/weeks at El Al
« Reply #86 on: November 17, 2016, 11:05:06 AM »
flight 001 tonight is delayed to 9:30 !!!

will it arrive before shabos?

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Re: Flights cancelled - strike posibble in the coming days/weeks at El Al
« Reply #87 on: November 17, 2016, 11:51:13 AM »
flight 001 tonight is delayed to 9:30 !!!

will it arrive before shabos?
It should.

9:30am TLV time is 2:30am NY time. It's about 11 hour flight.

However, I can see many people avoiding that. Looks like the pilot union is hell bent on breaking the company. You will have many frum people avoiding ELAL for things like this. That is an important loyal customer base.

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Re: Flights cancelled - strike posibble in the coming days/weeks at El Al
« Reply #88 on: November 17, 2016, 01:06:59 PM »
They don't (comparing to the other nonstops).
Can't argue about economy (although I would take delta, United or Air Canada every day) but IME over the last three years, I have only found them to be cheaper in business class one time and that is besides for the fact that their business product SUCKS!!!

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Re: Flights cancelled - strike posibble in the coming days/weeks at El Al
« Reply #89 on: November 17, 2016, 01:17:27 PM »
Can't argue about economy (although I would take delta, United or Air Canada every day) but IME over the last three years, I have only found them to be cheaper in business class one time and that is besides for the fact that their business product SUCKS!!!
One time out of...?