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Re: Flights cancelled - strike posibble in the coming days/weeks at El Al
« Reply #90 on: November 17, 2016, 01:38:19 PM »
Can't argue about economy (although I would take delta, United or Air Canada every day) but IME over the last three years, I have only found them to be cheaper in business class one time and that is besides for the fact that their business product SUCKS!!!
Let's do this a mite more scientifically, and actually check.
Screenshots attached are Google flights results for NYC-TLV RT nonstop on December 2016, with a one week stay.



« Last Edit: November 17, 2016, 01:44:11 PM by David Smith »
Who do you think you are fooling? You think you are going to pull a quick one on your Creator? Good luck with that.
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Re: Flights cancelled - strike posibble in the coming days/weeks at El Al
« Reply #91 on: November 17, 2016, 01:39:30 PM »
6-10 revenue Business class flights from TLV-USA

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Re: Flights cancelled - strike posibble in the coming days/weeks at El Al
« Reply #92 on: November 17, 2016, 01:40:55 PM »
Let's do this a mite more scientifically, and actually check.




Not sure why you care so much but just randomly select travel dates and I'll  check to see...

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Re: Flights cancelled - strike posibble in the coming days/weeks at El Al
« Reply #93 on: November 17, 2016, 01:54:52 PM »
It should.

9:30am TLV time is 2:30am NY time. It's about 11 hour flight.



flight time is 12:15, so if its further delayed it will arrive shabos

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Re: Flights cancelled - strike posibble in the coming days/weeks at El Al
« Reply #94 on: November 17, 2016, 01:57:23 PM »
now its updated to 8:30 & BKK is cancelled for tonight.

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Re: Flights cancelled - strike posibble in the coming days/weeks at El Al
« Reply #95 on: November 17, 2016, 01:58:41 PM »
flight time is 12:15, so if its further delayed it will arrive shabos
That was part of ELAL management claim against the pilots. They say that actual flight time is less than 12 hours, but the pilots artificially inflate it past 12 hours so that they get 2 free business class seats to go along with them.

Times showing on flight schedules are usually gate to gate.

However, don't get me wrong. I wouldn't advise any Yid to take this flight!

As you can see below, with one exception they are all sub 12 hours.
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Re: Flights cancelled - strike posibble in the coming days/weeks at El Al
« Reply #96 on: November 17, 2016, 04:22:54 PM »
רב אל על ממליץ: אל תעלו על הטיסה של מחר
טייסי חברת אל על ממשיכים שלא להתייצב לטיסות, וטיסה שתוכננה להלילה לניו יורק נדחתה למחר. שומרי תורה ומצוות שפנו לרב החברה הרב חיות, הונחו שלא לעלות על הטיסה. המשבר באל-על הולך ומחריף והפגיעה בנוסעים גדלה.

חברת אל על הודיעה כי הטיסה לניו יורק שתוכננה להלילה נדחתה למחר בבוקר. פניות של שומרי תורה ומצוות לרב החברה בשל חשש מאיחור לקראת השבת, הביאו לתשובה: "אל תעלו על הטיסה מחר".

עיצומי הטייסים של חברת אל על, הביאו כבר יותר מפעם אחת לנחיתה בצמוד לזמן הדלקת נרות, ויש מי מהנוסעים שלא מוכנים לקחת עוד סיכון, קח למשל נוסעים שאמורים היו להמריא הלילה לניו יורק, ונודע להם כי טיסתם נדחתה למחר בבוקר.

המדובר בטיסה 001 לניו יורק, שאמורה הייתה להמריא בשעה 00:50 הלילה (שעון ישראל) ונחיתתה הייתה צפוייה בשעה 6:00 בבוקר (שעון ניו יורק), אלא שבשל עיצומי הטייסים הוחלט כי הטיסה תצא רק מחר בבוקר, מה שאומר שהיא תנחת בצהרים (שעון ניו יורק).

בדוברות אל על נאמר לאתר לדעת כי הטיסה תנחת בני יורק דקות לאחר השעה 1 בצהריים. ואעפ"כ כל שומר מצוות שמדבר עם הרב חיות מקבל עצה לדחות טיסתו.

הרב חיות עצמו הגיב ואמר כי בכוונתו להיות הלילה בשדה התעופה ולדאוג לנוסעים. לדבריו פנה אליו רב מפתח תקווה, והוא אמר לו שלא לעלות על הטיסה.

באל על אמרו הערב כי כשפנו לטייסים הערב הם קיבלו תשובות שונות בהם על מחלה שפיתח אחד הטייסים, טייס אחר לא ענה, טייס נוסף סירב ואמר כי יטוס רק אם חייב, עוד ארבעה טייסים סירבו, אחד מהם היה מוכן לטוס רק לכיוון אחד, וטייס נוסף השיב כי הוא במנוחה במלאה בשל מגבלת שעות. "אנו שבים ומודיעים כי נציגות טייסי החברה ממשיכה לפגוע בחברה, מתנצלים בפני הנוסעים על הפגיעה ונחושים להחזיר את הפעילות בחברה לסדרה", אמרו באל על.

וועד טייסי אל על הגיבו ואמרו כי ״חבל שהנהלת אל על ו"חבורת קלאבמרקט", בהוראת בעלת השליטה תמי מוזס-בורוביץ, שוב ממשיכים להטעות את הציבור. גם הפעם, בדיוק כמו ביתר הטיסות שהנהלת אל על החליטה לבטל השבוע, היו טייסים זמינים להוציא את הטיסות. הפעם עברה ההנהלה כל גבול בשקריה משום שהיו גם שני חברי הנהלה, טייסים בצי 744, שהיו כשירים וזמינים ויכלו גם הם להפעיל את הטיסה. העובדה שהנהלת החברה בחרה לא להציבם לטיסה, מעלה חשד לחבלה בזדון וממשיכה לפגוע פגיעה אנושה בנוסעים ובחברה״.

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Re: Flights cancelled - strike posibble in the coming days/weeks at El Al
« Reply #97 on: November 17, 2016, 09:02:11 PM »
I just took LY1028 EWR-TLV. Plane and most of crew were Privilege and they were supplemented by elal. But aside from the crew, it was very hard to tell it wasn't Elal. Pillows, headrests, soap in bathroom, good trays, movies, etc all said elal. My guess is that the first few days it was a rush to get Privilege to cover but now that it might be long term, they had time to plan accordingly.
I'm to tired to write more but in short, it was my best elal flight (but like i told my brother, give the crew another few flights with our meshugasim and they'll be just as bad as elal).
Maybe I'll write more later.

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Re: Flights cancelled - strike posibble in the coming days/weeks at El Al
« Reply #98 on: November 18, 2016, 12:15:10 PM »
So while this morning it seemed like it was going to land at 1:16pm it now looks closer to 2pm.

Being that this is a 747, deplaning usually takes a little longer (though that might have been mitigated if many people just didn't take it).

IMHO this is another escalation of the fight. 001 is a flagship flight. The Thursday, Motzoei Shabbos and Sunday flights are the most important ones, as those are people who need to get to their destination for the weekend, or arrive at the beginning of a week. Also, this creates a huge problem for a significant customer base, who choose ELAL due to the fact that they present themselves as Shomer Shabbos, and this clearly shows no respect for Shmiras Shabbos.

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Re: Flights cancelled - strike posibble in the coming days/weeks at El Al
« Reply #99 on: November 18, 2016, 12:20:48 PM »
I just took LY1028 EWR-TLV. Plane and most of crew were Privilege and they were supplemented by elal. But aside from the crew, it was very hard to tell it wasn't Elal. Pillows, headrests, soap in bathroom, good trays, movies, etc all said elal. My guess is that the first few days it was a rush to get Privilege to cover but now that it might be long term, they had time to plan accordingly.
I'm to tired to write more but in short, it was my best elal flight (but like i told my brother, give the crew another few flights with our meshugasim and they'll be just as bad as elal).
Maybe I'll write more later.
Sammy,
I'm planning on taking LY028 on the 22nd, and I wonder whether you have any thoughts about delays to that flight.  Did it seem to you that ElAl was getting its act togther with the wet lease so that, by the 22nd, the contingency plan would be in place?  Also, how long was your delay and what, if anything, did ElAl do for you or other passengers in terms of comps/accomodations?
Thanks in advance.

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Re: Flights cancelled - strike posibble in the coming days/weeks at El Al
« Reply #100 on: November 18, 2016, 12:48:18 PM »
Sammy,
I'm planning on taking LY028 on the 22nd, and I wonder whether you have any thoughts about delays to that flight.  Did it seem to you that ElAl was getting its act togther with the wet lease so that, by the 22nd, the contingency plan would be in place?  Also, how long was your delay and what, if anything, did ElAl do for you or other passengers in terms of comps/accomodations?
Thanks in advance.
I will offer you my unsolicited advice: prepare for the worst, hope for the best!

It is obvious that ELAL as a company has a flawed DNA when it comes to realizing what the customers mean to them. The senior pilots (and to an extent management) is stuck in the old arrogant Israeli mentality. They don't realize that their customers are their number 1 asset, rather than someone who should thank them for their kindness in providing service. Even Israelis realize this now: http://www.globes.co.il/news/article.aspx?did=1001161638

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Re: Flights cancelled - strike posibble in the coming days/weeks at El Al
« Reply #101 on: November 18, 2016, 01:08:47 PM »
Everyone likes to bash El Al, but they really have gotten better on price.  I've seen plenty of fares that are equal to or less than other competing non-stop flights.  Business to Europe isn't the cheapest, but the product is vastly superior (King David lounge at TLV and a truly different cabin with upgraded hardware vs. Dan Lounge and economy-style seats with an empty middle seat on most European airlines).

On NYC-TLV route they are often cheaper than UA or DL, but $100 or $200 saving doesn't warrant subjecting myself to the ELAL experience (and very limited use loyalty program).
Without Elal UA/DL business class would have been $6k+ and economy would have had advance purchase like crazy. Check it out, the difference between a NY-TLV fare vs NY-BRU
Let's do this a mite more scientifically, and actually check.
Screenshots attached are Google flights results for NYC-TLV RT nonstop on December 2016, with a one week stay.



ITA/GF shows lots of phantom space on Elal

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Re: Flights cancelled - strike posibble in the coming days/weeks at El Al
« Reply #102 on: November 18, 2016, 01:16:54 PM »
Without Elal UA/DL business class would have been $6k+ and economy would have had advance purchase like crazy. Check it out, the difference between a NY-TLV fare vs NY-BRUITA/GF shows lots of phantom space on Elal
+1
ELAL obviously has the largest inventory availability on TLV-NYC-TLV route.

I am not hoping for ELAL to die (though that might be a form of creative destruction), but rather for a major shakeup and attitude change.

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Re: Flights cancelled - strike posibble in the coming days/weeks at El Al
« Reply #103 on: November 19, 2016, 03:38:44 PM »
list for today:

PEK is delayed from 21:30 to 8:00
BKK is cancelled
EWR is cancelled
AMS is delayed from 6:15 to 8:15
MXP is delayed from 6:50 to 15:30

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Re: Flights cancelled - strike posibble in the coming days/weeks at El Al
« Reply #104 on: November 19, 2016, 11:15:09 PM »
If they continue on the current trajectory, within a few weeks they will be cancelling all their flights due to abandonment by customers.