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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #15 on: January 21, 2017, 08:07:27 PM »
I thought you were required to accept converts as one of your own, no?
That does not include accepting an invalid conversation. I am totally unfair with her conversation and have no opinion on it one way or the other, but if it is invalid it is invalid.
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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #16 on: January 21, 2017, 08:08:46 PM »
I thought you were required to accept converts as one of your own, no?
Of course, but only if they accept the 613 commandments.
Is it Friday already?
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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #17 on: January 21, 2017, 08:13:04 PM »
Of course, but only if they accept the 613 commandments.
Is it Friday already?
I tried on Friday.  :)
Accepting all 613 commandments and not following them 100% of the time is not same, correct? By that I mean nobody is perfect.
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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #18 on: January 21, 2017, 08:14:03 PM »
I tried on Friday.  :)
Accepting all 613 commandments and not following them 100% of the time is not same, correct? By that I mean nobody is perfect.
The question is did you actually intend to accept the 613 at the time of the conversion?
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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #19 on: January 21, 2017, 08:16:01 PM »
That does not include accepting an invalid conversation. I am totally unfair with her conversation and have no opinion on it one way or the other, but if it is invalid it is invalid.
Is someone claiming it was invalid? How about her husband. It seems they are following the same Rabbis advice. Does that make her husband invalid?  :)
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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #20 on: January 21, 2017, 08:17:35 PM »
Is someone claiming it was invalid? How about her husband. It seems they are following the same Rabbis advice. Does that make her husband invalid?  :)
Born a Jew, always a Jew.
So he's Jewish even if he disregards all 613.
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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #21 on: January 21, 2017, 08:19:19 PM »
The question is did you actually intend to accept the 613 at the time of the conversion?
Is a person that converts required to fully understand all 613 commandments? Just watching the discussion about some of these things that would seem impossible. Also if a Rabbi gives her permission to do certain things over Shabbos that wouldn't be a violation would it?
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« Reply #22 on: January 21, 2017, 08:19:48 PM »
Born a Jew, always a Jew.
So he's Jewish even if he disregards all 613.
I set myself up for that.  :)
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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #23 on: January 21, 2017, 08:22:29 PM »


Also if a Rabbi gives her permission to do certain things over Shabbos that wouldn't be a violation would it?
A rabbi cannot give permission to do things that the Torah does not allow unless he has a valid reason.

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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #24 on: January 21, 2017, 08:34:53 PM »
I thought you were required to accept converts as one of your own, no?
I just said you'd be as Jewish as she is if you do what she did.

Yes I am obligated to love and accept converts. I am also obligated to hate those who trample g-ds words.


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« Reply #25 on: January 21, 2017, 08:52:03 PM »
I am also obligated to hate those who trample g-ds words.
Didn't know that.
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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #26 on: January 21, 2017, 09:15:05 PM »
And if shes not a convert she didn't trample on g-ds words. So we are giving her benefit of the doubt.........however practically everyone accepts her as a legitimate convert

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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #27 on: January 21, 2017, 09:23:02 PM »
Looks like the 10% was correct.  :P
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/20/us/ivanka-trump-jared-kushner-sabbath.html?ribbon-ad-idx=3&rref=politics&module=Ribbon&version=context&region=Header&action=click&contentCollection=Politics&pgtype=article&_r=0

Can someone hook me up with their Rabbi? I am ready to take the plunge.  :)

http://www.uscj.org

I'm still sceptical about this story. Until I see a written tshuva, or an on the record comment in assuming the reporters are getting it wrong.

For example, I can understand if they got a heter to go (walk) to the ball, even though they will be causing the security guards to follow them in a car.

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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #28 on: January 21, 2017, 09:30:28 PM »
And for all you know by them saying that the rabbi give them a heter to go in a car maybe it means  that the driver was opening the door for them and he did anything that is prohibited on Shabbos
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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #29 on: January 21, 2017, 09:31:23 PM »
I think that JTZ's point is that if she is following the ruling of her rabbi it dues not show that her acceptance of mitzvos was deficient even if his ruling was incorrect.
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