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Re: Keeping Up With The Kushners
« Reply #160 on: January 23, 2017, 04:56:30 PM »
So it is OK to talk negatively about a female Jew but not a male?
LOL, not what I said.
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Re: Keeping Up With The Kushners
« Reply #161 on: January 23, 2017, 04:57:37 PM »
That is so sad.
Conversion is one of the most controversial topics in Judaism.
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Re: Keeping Up With The Kushners
« Reply #162 on: January 23, 2017, 04:58:30 PM »
LOL, not what I said.
I know but was hoping for a different response.
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Re: Keeping Up With The Kushners
« Reply #163 on: January 23, 2017, 04:59:21 PM »
Conversion is one of the most controversial topics in Judaism.
The process or that one is even allowed to?
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Re: Keeping Up With The Kushners
« Reply #164 on: January 23, 2017, 05:00:22 PM »
Conversion is one of the most controversial topics in Orthodox Judaism.

FTFY

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Re: Keeping Up With The Kushners
« Reply #165 on: January 23, 2017, 05:00:45 PM »
The process or that one is even allowed to?
The process and the Rabbi who performs it.
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Re: Keeping Up With The Kushners
« Reply #166 on: January 23, 2017, 05:02:34 PM »
photoshop....

Doubt it... was a really unclear picture

Can't find it... it was on MailOnline

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Re: Keeping Up With The Kushners
« Reply #167 on: January 23, 2017, 05:04:43 PM »
So it is OK to talk negatively about a female Jew but not a male?
If they think she is non Jew then it's not LH.

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Re: Keeping Up With The Kushners
« Reply #168 on: January 23, 2017, 05:11:45 PM »
If they think she is non Jew then it's not LH.
Wouldn't saying she is a non-Jew all by itself be LH?
Getting the hang of the lingo.  :)
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Re: Keeping Up With The Kushners
« Reply #169 on: January 23, 2017, 05:11:48 PM »
Why is everything about her? He is the one this should be about.
There isn't much of a conversation to have about him
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: Keeping Up With The Kushners
« Reply #170 on: January 23, 2017, 05:13:09 PM »
There isn't much of a conversation to have about him
It is OK for him to ride in a car but not her? How about taking pictures?
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Re: Keeping Up With The Kushners
« Reply #171 on: January 23, 2017, 05:14:26 PM »
It is OK for him to ride in a car but not her? How about taking pictures?
There are lots of Jews who don't keep Shabbos.
OTOH, converts who claim to be Orthodox...
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Re: Keeping Up With The Kushners
« Reply #172 on: January 23, 2017, 05:15:31 PM »
Why is everything about her? He is the one this should be about.
I for one am equally not cool with discussing either of their religious proclivities.

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Re: Keeping Up With The Kushners
« Reply #173 on: January 23, 2017, 05:17:21 PM »
It is OK for him to ride in a car but not her? How about taking pictures?
No and the car conversation is equally about him.
There are lots of Jews who don't keep Shabbos.
OTOH, converts who claim to be Orthodox...
+1 but -1 on Orthodox Rabbis giving "dispensations"
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Re: Keeping Up With The Kushners
« Reply #174 on: January 23, 2017, 05:18:23 PM »
Are converts held to higher standard in Judaism?
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Re: Keeping Up With The Kushners
« Reply #175 on: January 23, 2017, 05:19:36 PM »
Are converts held to higher standard in Judaism?
By definition the conversion is only good if you accept the 613 commandments, so there's going to be more scrutiny from others than for someone who is born a Jew and remains one even if he keeps 0 commandments.

They warn you of this before you start the conversion process when they try to discourage you from converting.
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Re: Keeping Up With The Kushners
« Reply #176 on: January 23, 2017, 05:19:40 PM »
Are converts held to higher standard in Judaism?
If they didn't fully accept adherence to the commandments at time of conversion, the conversion is meaningless.
Who do you think you are fooling? You think you are going to pull a quick one on your Creator? Good luck with that.
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Re: Keeping Up With The Kushners
« Reply #177 on: January 23, 2017, 05:23:11 PM »
By definition the conversion is only good if you accept the 613 commandments, so there's going to be more scrutiny from others than for someone who is born a Jew and remains one even if he keeps 0 commandments.

They warn you of this before you start the conversion process when they try to discourage you from converting.
If they didn't fully accept adherence to the commandments at time of conversion, the conversion is meaningless.
Isn't her adherence based on the teachings of the Rabbi doing the conversion?
Example: Rabbi says it is not mandatory to cover your hair in public.

Also once she goes through the process and it is completed who here has the right to say she is not a Jew?
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Re: Keeping Up With The Kushners
« Reply #178 on: January 23, 2017, 05:25:03 PM »
How does this answer his question?
If a convert never kept shabbos, they are not Jewish. If someone both to a Jewish mother never kept shabbos, they are Jewish. That can be referred to as converts being held on a higher standard.
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Re: Keeping Up With The Kushners
« Reply #179 on: January 23, 2017, 05:27:28 PM »
Isn't her adherence based on the teachings of the Rabbi doing the conversion?
Example: Rabbi says it is not mandatory to cover your hair in public.

Also once she goes through the process and it is completed who here has the right to say she is not a Jew?
The process itself does not turn one Jewish unless the acceptance was there beforehand. If her Rabbi tells her something required by Judaism is outdated, then her acceptance at the time of conversion was lacking.
Who do you think you are fooling? You think you are going to pull a quick one on your Creator? Good luck with that.
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