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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #45 on: January 21, 2017, 10:54:52 PM »
It's definitely unequivocally true. We can discuss the definition of trample though.
Exactly.

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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #46 on: January 21, 2017, 10:58:58 PM »
Paging @Tim T we went through this once and found documentation of her Geirus which was done by R Herschel Shacter, Chatzhel Lookstien (who holds you don't need kabulas mitzvos) and a chasidshe rav from monsey but don't recall his name of hand. Either way it was definitely a good Geirus...

Besides that if she got a heter that's it Noone is forcing you to accept her Ravs psak and any speculation of her not really getting one etc is regular lashon hara/motsie shem ra... even if you think she's a mumar...

It's a whole different discussion of what the psak is based on... and you deff don't know the security situation to speculate what they could have or couldn't have done...
Was first discussed here to some extent. :)

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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #47 on: January 21, 2017, 11:00:46 PM »
There is no way in the world it's a good geirus a gerus needs kabolos mitzvahs and she never covered her her hair which if she never did is enough to disable a geirus she herself said in an interview that she is pretty observent which means there is definitely other stuff she never did and if it's not a good geirus she is still a goy and if she keeps shabbos she would be mechuv missah so it's disgusting how everyone is saying how it's such a nice thing that she is keeping shabbos and getting all bent out of shape when she doesn't she is regular goy and it's much better when she doesn't

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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #48 on: January 21, 2017, 11:01:03 PM »
Was first discussed here to some extent. :)
I think theres something More recent and in greater detail...

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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #49 on: January 21, 2017, 11:01:48 PM »
Was first discussed here to some extent. :)
according to the maskana there it was solely lookstein

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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #50 on: January 21, 2017, 11:02:47 PM »
Exactly.
Just for the record, I don't necessarily think it fully applies to Jared.

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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #51 on: January 21, 2017, 11:04:17 PM »
Wow have you all missed the original point.
"LESS IS MORE" It is the cumulative effect that kills deals!!! How many times do I have to say this?  >:(

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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #52 on: January 21, 2017, 11:06:55 PM »

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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #53 on: January 21, 2017, 11:08:32 PM »


chatzkel lookstein is definitely out of the mainstream as you yourself said. not sure why that means its definitely good

The other 2 rabonims geirus are definitely good I mentioned him because he happened to be part of it not that it makes it good

i know they didnt have to go into a situation where they would have to be mechalel shabbos

Intresting that you know the inner workings of the trump family, American politics, the secret service and they're personal situation where they had to be and when.

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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #54 on: January 21, 2017, 11:20:41 PM »

The other 2 rabonims geirus are definitely good I mentioned him because he happened to be part of it not that it makes it good

he puts a stink on the whole thing. she may be jewish but i dont see it as certain especially when you consider she currently doesnt keep all the mitzvos
Intresting that you know the inner workings of the trump family, American politics, the secret service and they're personal situation where they had to be and when.
i dont see why you would think she had to go to anything that would cause her to be mechalel shabbos. technically she could have sat out the whole thing

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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #55 on: January 21, 2017, 11:38:23 PM »
he puts a stink on the whole thing. she may be jewish but i dont see it as certain especially when you consider she currently doesnt keep all the mitzvosi dont see why you would think she had to go to anything that would cause her to be mechalel shabbos. technically she could have sat out the whole thing
And you know for certain that there was no reason in the world that there was enough of a need for amirah laakum. I could think of a million reasons that it could be considered enough of a need. (ie Just imagine that bibi decided to bomb iran after 8 years of waiting and wanted jared to be there to pacify trump.) Just cuz you don't know doesn't mean there's no reason. And for amirah laakum or shvus dishvus if one akum told the next akum u dont need to dream up any crazy scenarios

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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #56 on: January 21, 2017, 11:46:12 PM »



The other 2 rabonims geirus are definitely good I mentioned him because he happened to be part of it not that it makes it good


Geirus needs a bridge din of 3, so not sure what you mean by 2?

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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #57 on: January 21, 2017, 11:49:47 PM »
And you know for certain that there was no reason in the world that there was enough of a need for amirah laakum. I could think of a million reasons that it could be considered enough of a need. (ie Just imagine that bibi decided to bomb iran after 8 years of waiting and wanted jared to be there to pacify trump.) Just cuz you don't know doesn't mean there's no reason. And for amirah laakum or shvus dishvus if one akum told the next akum u dont need to dream up any crazy scenarios
thats a very far stretch for a heter...

Geirus needs a bridge din of 3, so not sure what you mean by 2?
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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #58 on: January 21, 2017, 11:49:59 PM »

Geirus needs a bridge din of 3, so not sure what you mean by 2?
R schacter probably didn't realize that when he did the geirus. You should let him know....(he probably knows about Haskell more than you also)

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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #59 on: January 21, 2017, 11:51:38 PM »
thats a very far stretch for a heter...+1
Its only a far stretch cuz you and me have no clue what is going on behind the scenes.