Rabbis Walk From Brooklyn To The Bronx On Shabbos (Interesting Articles Split)

[AsherO]

This is getting well past what is appropriate for this forum. The rules are somewhat complex and should only be used by someone who is familiar with the ins and outs of their practical application anyhow. The short answer to both is usually but not always.

I'm asking for informative purposes, I don't plan on walking out of NYC on Shabbos anytime soon.

[aygart]

I'm asking for informative purposes, I don't plan on walking out of NYC on Shabbos anytime soon.

The short answer to both is usually but not always.

[ExGingi]

I would rather not do that since it would take some time to make it precise and I do not want to post one that is imprecise.
This is getting well past what is appropriate for this forum. The rules are somewhat complex and should only be used by someone who is familiar with the ins and outs of their practical application anyhow. The short answer to both is usually but not always.

Does a map similar to this exist for NYC?

Also, while doing some Google research on this I came across this, which seems to indicate that Tel-Aviv is 4 cities for tchum Shabbos, though from this it seems like there are 4 eiruvin for carrying (as is obvious by lines not being squared), but tchum shabbos isn't addressed! How does that compare to NYC/Brooklyn/Manhattan etc.?

[ExGingi]

I'm asking for informative purposes, I don't plan on walking out of NYC on Shabbos anytime soon.

תורה היא, וללמוד אני צריך!

[AsherO]

Does a map similar to this exist for NYC?

Is there a legend for the lines?

[aygart]

Does a map similar to this exist for NYC?

Also, while doing some Google research on this I came across this, which seems to indicate that Tel-Aviv is 4 cities for tchum Shabbos, though from this it seems like there are 4 eiruvin for carrying (as is obvious by lines not being squared), but tchum shabbos isn't addressed! How does that compare to NYC/Brooklyn/Manhattan etc.?

No such map exists regarding NYC to the best of my knowledge, partially because it is much more tedious than Beit Shemesh. It will go into Westchester and NJ and can cover quite a large area.

Regarding Tel Aviv they avoided the question of using ribua to attach and left it with this vagary.
והנה ישנו נידון הלכתי לחבר את שני חלקי תל אביב שמשני צידי איילון [חלקים הא' והב' הנ"ל] 1, אולם
נידון זה לא יועיל לחבר את חלקים הא' והב' של תל אביב שמב' צידי איילון - לחלקים הג' והד' שמצפון
לירקון להחשב כעיר אחת, וכן לא יועיל לחבר את חלקים הג' והד' זה לזה להחשב כעיר אחת.

[aygart]

Is there a legend for the lines?

My guess is that the red is the city border and the blue is the limits of the tchum. I have some questions on the map but am not familiar enough with the facts on the ground.

[ExGingi]

No such map exists regarding NYC to the best of my knowledge, partially because it is much more tedious than Beit Shemesh. It will go into Westchester and NJ and can cover quite a large area.

Regarding Tel Aviv they avoided the question of using ribua to attach and left it with this vagary.
והנה ישנו נידון הלכתי לחבר את שני חלקי תל אביב שמשני צידי איילון [חלקים הא' והב' הנ"ל] 1, אולם
נידון זה לא יועיל לחבר את חלקים הא' והב' של תל אביב שמב' צידי איילון - לחלקים הג' והד' שמצפון
לירקון להחשב כעיר אחת, וכן לא יועיל לחבר את חלקים הג' והד' זה לזה להחשב כעיר אחת.

But based on what you said above, I don't understand why they would have a problem between north of Yarkon and south of it, based on the northwest corner of the southwest quadrant protruding to the north, so a ribua would definitely overlap? What am I missing?

[aygart]

But based on what you said above, I don't understand why they would have a problem between north of Yarkon and south of it, based on the northwest corner of the southwest quadrant protruding to the north, so a ribua would definitely overlap? What am I missing?

I have the same question but am not familiar enough with the facts on the ground and until I do will take them at their word.

[ExGingi]

I have the same question but am not familiar enough with the facts on the ground and until I do will take them at their word.

Not sure who they are, doesn't seem like the Tel-Aviv rabbanut, from which I saw no indication of said tchumin problem, though I didn't search extensively.

[aygart]

Not sure who they are, doesn't seem like the Tel-Aviv rabbanut, from which I saw no indication of said tchumin problem, though I didn't search extensively.

I have no information about them.

[aygart]

Btw, I frequently get questions from various vacation areas regarding walking to a minyan etc. Anyone who wishes may inquire via PM but don't wait until Friday.

[ExGingi]

Btw, I frequently get questions from various vacation areas regarding walking to a minyan etc. Anyone who wishes may inquire via PM but don't wait until Friday.

Thank you very much for offering. Good to know of this resource.

[aygart]

Thank you very much for offering. Good to know of this resource.

I would advise that I be contacted in the planning stages though to prevent issues if it doesn't work.

[Freddie]

Btw, I frequently get questions from various vacation areas regarding walking to a minyan etc. Anyone who wishes may inquire via PM but don't wait until Friday.

You're the t'chum guy?

[aygart]

You're the t'chum guy?

Iwould call it a tchum guy.

[ExGingi]

I have the same question but am not familiar enough with the facts on the ground and until I do will take them at their word.

Does the היקף מחיצות of the eiruv make any difference for the ribua as is relates to tchum shabbos? i.e. if they do a היקף מחיצות for purposes of carrying in a park beyond where residences exist, is the ribua measured based on the היקף מחיצות or do you just go by the actual houses?

[aygart]

Does the היקף מחיצות of the eiruv make any difference for the ribua as is relates to tchum shabbos? i.e. if they do a היקף מחיצות for purposes of carrying in a park beyond where residences exist, is the ribua measured based on the היקף מחיצות or do you just go by the actual houses?

It would typically go by the eruv.

[ExGingi]

It would typically go by the eruv.

So can an eruv (היקף מחיצות) be used to extend tchum shabbos?

[aygart]

So can an eruv (היקף מחיצות) be used to extend tchum shabbos?

technically, but it can get complicated.