Parnassa question..

[Deal Guy]

The gemara in Beitza says that a person's parnassa is determined on Rosh Hashana.

The question I was thinking of, is suppose you have an option to pay your employee a higher or a lower salary, and you choose to be nice and give him a little more (the higher end), will you lose out or not?

In other words, if you give him 5k more, will you not lose out because you will just earn 5k more in business to offset it, since your bottom line parnassa was determined on Rosh Hashana, OR does the fact that you decided to give him the 5k more end up going to come out of what was determined for you on Rosh Hashana, and if you choose to give him the 5k more it will come out of your earnings?

Has anyone ever asked such a question from a rav?

[churnbabychurn]

OT/
You are not being nice by paying an employee.

You are benefiting your business by fostering goodwill and retaining talent.

The market for quality employees is very tough..

[Deal Guy]

OT/
You are not being nice by paying an employee.

You are benefiting your business by fostering goodwill and retaining talent.

The market for quality employees is very tough..

True, but my question is based if you think you can get away with paying a bit less and not lose that employee, but the employee asks for a bit more, and you choose to be nice about it...

[Mordyk]

True, but my question is based if you think you can get away with paying a bit less and not lose that employee, but the employee asks for a bit more, and you choose to be nice about it...

And let the bechira discussion start...

[Abebee]

And let the bechira discussion start...

Gonna go make some popcorn

[lechatchileh ariber]

It's not yet Friday, however what would be the point of the decision on rh if your could change that negatively by your actions?

[Abebee]

It's not yet Friday, however what would be the point of the decision on rh if your could change that negatively by your actions?

I Think he's asking if your "negative actions" were accounted for on RH

[aygart]

It's not yet Friday, however what would be the point of the decision on rh if your could change that negatively by your actions?

And if you give a gift?

Th chazon ish writes ( need to find it) that if you allow someone to compete in a way that you can prevent in a din torah but don't it can be your loss but if the din is that he may compete it does not change the calculation. He writes that taking to a din torah could be part of the chiyuv hishtadlus and if you don't follow the guidelines you can lose out.

[churnbabychurn]

True, but my question is based if you think you can get away with paying a bit less and not lose that employee, but the employee asks for a bit more, and you choose to be nice about it...

What is this "niceness"? If the additional pay is not warranted, you are litteraly giving away cash. You may as well flush it down the toilet.

Noone would say that you are not going to lose what was decreed upon you if you actually throw it away.

[lechatchileh ariber]

Something tells me that you are trying to find a good reason to explain to yourself why not give the guy a raise..

[lechatchileh ariber]

Let's put it in the flip side, what if his calculation on rh included this raise?

[aygart]

What is this "niceness"? If the additional pay is not warranted, you are litteraly giving away cash. You may as well flush it down the toilet.

Noone would say that you are not going to lose what was decreed upon you if you actually throw it away.

Even if it is not needed to keep him it can make him a happier employee. How far do those types of things go?

[Deal Guy]

What is this "niceness"? If the additional pay is not warranted, you are litteraly giving away cash. You may as well flush it down the toilet.

Noone would say that you are not going to lose what was decreed upon you if you actually throw it away.

Why don't you understand? Suppose you pay someone 64k. Is it set in stone that it must be 64k?
So if you only want to pay 64k, and he says he wants you to pay 70k, and you can probably get away with sticking to 64k, it is being nice if you give in to the 70k or meet in middle.

[Deal Guy]

Let's put it in the flip side, what if his calculation on rh included this raise?

That is true.
The question is, if you can afford to give the small raise (within reason), so that he will indeed get what was decreed for him on Rosh hashana, will it affect what was decreed for YOU on rosh hashana?

[Abebee]

That is true.
The question is, if you can afford to give the small raise (within reason), so that he will indeed get what was decreed for him on Rosh hashana, will it affect what was decreed for YOU on rosh hashana?

That's a different question, he can get it many many other ways. You dont have to give him the raise on the possibility that he needs to make more

[ckmk47]

I assume that the amount you actually get over the year was the amount determined for you on R"H.  So if you give him the extra salary, it was already calculated into your total.

[A3]

The gemara in Beitza says that a person's parnassa is determined on Rosh Hashana.

The question I was thinking of, is suppose you have an option to pay your employee a higher or a lower salary, and you choose to be nice and give him a little more (the higher end), will you lose out or not?

In other words, if you give him 5k more, will you not lose out because you will just earn 5k more in business to offset it, since your bottom line parnassa was determined on Rosh Hashana, OR does the fact that you decided to give him the 5k more end up going to come out of what was determined for you on Rosh Hashana, and if you choose to give him the 5k more it will come out of your earnings?

Has anyone ever asked such a question from a rav?

What ever you do.... Was determined on Rosh Hashana

[aygart]

Let's put it in the flip side, what if his calculation on rh included this raise?

Then absent the raise he will get the money from a different source.

[aygart]

What ever you do.... Was determined on Rosh Hashana

So where does bechira come in? Hishtadlus?

[sky121]

So where does bechira come in? Hishtadlus?

We can open a whole new forum just for this one.