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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #30 on: March 14, 2017, 10:20:32 AM »
I think he is talking from experience in the field but I have a feeling his numbers are exagerated. The question is which names they choose.
Probably a bit exaggerated but majority will never rralize or admit that its the desire to act out in whatever way that doesnt comport with Judaism that leads them astray.
And as far as the names are concerned...thats exactly it. It Joel, not James and Monica is entirely off the reservation.
Astonished at the depths someone would sink to, in order to get a dopamine hit. Shame on you.

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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #31 on: March 14, 2017, 10:20:52 AM »
While I don't know whether this particular news story is real, couples like the one depicted unfortunately do exist.
Ding ding ding we have a winner!
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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #32 on: March 14, 2017, 10:23:28 AM »
Ding ding ding we have a winner!
The Post is a tabloid. Because its written doesnt mean any of it is true. But of course we have our own of everything. Swingers, gays, transgender.
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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #33 on: March 14, 2017, 10:25:42 AM »
The Post is a tabloid. Because its written doesnt mean any of it is true. But of course we have our own of everything. Swingers, gays, transgender.
I agree this story might not be true but I will bet the house it is happening.
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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #34 on: March 14, 2017, 10:30:02 AM »
I agree this story might not be true but I will bet the house it is happening.
Absolutely.

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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #35 on: March 14, 2017, 10:48:04 AM »
Let's get the snow day popcorn started...my take...
90% of OTD is because they cant reconcile their sexual activity with Judaism...1% is intellectual OTD and the rest is a mixture of reasons.
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I think we should differentiate between reason, trigger, facilitating factors, and reaction (or lack thereof), which are all part of the OTD issue.

IMHO there is only one reason across the board. It is לנורא עלילה על בני אדם - ניסיונות!

When discussing triggers, there are quite a few out there. I don't think what you mentioned as 90% is actually of any significant number. Common triggers mentioned are: abuse (physical, sexual or emotional/mental), lack of Sholom Bayis, cognitive dissonance observed.

While there's absolutely no action anyone take about the reason (other than daven), and often we are very limited in controlling the triggers, we definitely do have the ability and tools to deal with the facilitating factors, and more so with the proper responses. And if applied in a timely and correct manner, it could help in most cases.

Regarding the story in the post, I would be totally shocked if there's even a 1% grain of truth to it.

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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #36 on: March 14, 2017, 10:51:17 AM »
Regarding the story in the post, I would be totally shocked if there's even a 1% grain of truth to it.
WOW someone needs a reality check!
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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #37 on: March 14, 2017, 10:52:01 AM »
Let's get the snow day popcorn started...my take...
90% of OTD is because they cant reconcile their sexual activity with Judaism...1% is intellectual OTD and the rest is a mixture of reasons.

Are you talking about this couple or people in general?

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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #38 on: March 14, 2017, 11:01:50 AM »


Regarding the story in the post, I would be totally shocked if there's even a 1% grain of truth to it.

Kiddushin 72a 4 lines from the bottom.

WOW someone needs a reality check!

Unfortunately I agree.

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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #39 on: March 14, 2017, 11:20:48 AM »
WOW someone needs a reality check!
I think they are referring to the authenticity of the news story, not to the existence of such couples.

If not, then I definitely agree that
WOW someone needs a reality check!

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« Reply #40 on: March 14, 2017, 11:27:15 AM »
I think they are referring to the authenticity of the news story, not to the existence of such couples.

If not, then I definitely agree that
These couple exists in ALL walks of life.
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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #41 on: March 14, 2017, 11:29:44 AM »
WOW someone needs a reality check!
Is this from personal experience with hasidic couples ? :)

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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #42 on: March 14, 2017, 11:29:59 AM »
These couple exists in ALL walks of life.
Of course. But some think that the (ultra) Orthodox Jewish community is immune, and that's simply false.

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« Reply #43 on: March 14, 2017, 11:32:37 AM »
Is this from personal experience with hasidic couples ? :)
Not with Hasidic couples but IMHO that makes no difference. I use to ask with Catholics but not no more.  ;)
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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #44 on: March 14, 2017, 11:33:58 AM »
While I don't know whether this particular news story is real, couples like the one depicted unfortunately do exist.
Yup
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