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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #20 on: March 14, 2017, 09:31:08 AM »
I don't know if you can fantasize as well as they do
It was really that creative? Not a regular they don't keep kosher blah blah only look hisidic blah blah hide cell phone blah blah have open marriage sometime apart sometimes together blah blah?
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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #21 on: March 14, 2017, 09:31:32 AM »
I think the couple is real but their story is a mix of reality and fantasy.
That's the whole point!
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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #22 on: March 14, 2017, 09:32:59 AM »
Let's get the snow day popcorn started...my take...
90% of OTD is because they cant reconcile their sexual activity with Judaism...1% is intellectual OTD and the rest is a mixture of reasons.
Do you really believe that's true?
FTFY
The writer needed something for Purim. Which Chusid do you know that calls himself James or Chasidista that calls herself Monica. Puhleez...
You've never met a Jew that uses a secular name when interacting with those not from his religious circles?
Who do you think you are fooling? You think you are going to pull a quick one on your Creator? Good luck with that.
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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #23 on: March 14, 2017, 09:34:30 AM »
The picture of her with her eyes blocked out should be very easy for someone who knows her to ID her from. 

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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #24 on: March 14, 2017, 09:35:44 AM »
I think the couple is real but their story is a mix of reality and fantasy.

What are the chances that it's OTDers pulling a prank on the reporter?

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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #25 on: March 14, 2017, 09:36:01 AM »
Do you really believe that's true?You've never met a Jew that uses a secular name when interacting with those not from his religious circles?

I think he is talking from experience in the field but I have a feeling his numbers are exagerated. The question is which names they choose.
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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #26 on: March 14, 2017, 09:41:33 AM »
While I don't know whether this particular news story is real, couples like the one depicted unfortunately do exist.
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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #27 on: March 14, 2017, 09:43:07 AM »
How long until this gets split to its own thread?
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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #28 on: March 14, 2017, 09:55:43 AM »
Their poor kids
Exactly my thoughts

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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #29 on: March 14, 2017, 10:16:14 AM »
If she has hair, they are not Satmar... (Probably one of the things that were changed to hide their identity)
Thats just naive. Many satmar who are not off have hair, even with shpitzlech. They hide it well.
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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #30 on: March 14, 2017, 10:20:32 AM »
I think he is talking from experience in the field but I have a feeling his numbers are exagerated. The question is which names they choose.
Probably a bit exaggerated but majority will never rralize or admit that its the desire to act out in whatever way that doesnt comport with Judaism that leads them astray.
And as far as the names are concerned...thats exactly it. It Joel, not James and Monica is entirely off the reservation.
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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #31 on: March 14, 2017, 10:20:52 AM »
While I don't know whether this particular news story is real, couples like the one depicted unfortunately do exist.
Ding ding ding we have a winner!
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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #32 on: March 14, 2017, 10:23:28 AM »
Ding ding ding we have a winner!
The Post is a tabloid. Because its written doesnt mean any of it is true. But of course we have our own of everything. Swingers, gays, transgender.
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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #33 on: March 14, 2017, 10:25:42 AM »
The Post is a tabloid. Because its written doesnt mean any of it is true. But of course we have our own of everything. Swingers, gays, transgender.
I agree this story might not be true but I will bet the house it is happening.
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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #34 on: March 14, 2017, 10:30:02 AM »
I agree this story might not be true but I will bet the house it is happening.
Absolutely.

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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #35 on: March 14, 2017, 10:48:04 AM »
Let's get the snow day popcorn started...my take...
90% of OTD is because they cant reconcile their sexual activity with Judaism...1% is intellectual OTD and the rest is a mixture of reasons.
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I think we should differentiate between reason, trigger, facilitating factors, and reaction (or lack thereof), which are all part of the OTD issue.

IMHO there is only one reason across the board. It is לנורא עלילה על בני אדם - ניסיונות!

When discussing triggers, there are quite a few out there. I don't think what you mentioned as 90% is actually of any significant number. Common triggers mentioned are: abuse (physical, sexual or emotional/mental), lack of Sholom Bayis, cognitive dissonance observed.

While there's absolutely no action anyone take about the reason (other than daven), and often we are very limited in controlling the triggers, we definitely do have the ability and tools to deal with the facilitating factors, and more so with the proper responses. And if applied in a timely and correct manner, it could help in most cases.

Regarding the story in the post, I would be totally shocked if there's even a 1% grain of truth to it.
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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #36 on: March 14, 2017, 10:51:17 AM »
Regarding the story in the post, I would be totally shocked if there's even a 1% grain of truth to it.
WOW someone needs a reality check!
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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #37 on: March 14, 2017, 10:52:01 AM »
Let's get the snow day popcorn started...my take...
90% of OTD is because they cant reconcile their sexual activity with Judaism...1% is intellectual OTD and the rest is a mixture of reasons.

Are you talking about this couple or people in general?

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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #38 on: March 14, 2017, 11:01:50 AM »


Regarding the story in the post, I would be totally shocked if there's even a 1% grain of truth to it.

Kiddushin 72a 4 lines from the bottom.

WOW someone needs a reality check!

Unfortunately I agree.

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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #39 on: March 14, 2017, 11:20:48 AM »
WOW someone needs a reality check!
I think they are referring to the authenticity of the news story, not to the existence of such couples.

If not, then I definitely agree that
WOW someone needs a reality check!