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I just came across this http://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news/54058-el-al-eyes-late-3q17-incl-debut-for-b787s, which made me give a curious peek at the availability in Sep from TLV to LAX and to see what aircraft is showing. All the flights (LY5) are still showing the 772, but I came across this 1 "fake flight" (which is obviously just some sort of test being that it is on Shabbos and labeled LY555 (instead of 5) and showing 0 availability), and it's operated by a 787-9.
 02SEP  SAT   TLV/Z‡3     LAX/PDT-10                           
1LY     555 C0 I0 D0 Z0 J0 TLVLAX  100A  625A 789 BH 0 J DCA /E
            R0 X0 W0 Q0 B0 P0 Y0 S0 M0 K0 V0 L0 T0 H0 N0 G0 Oo 
            U0 E0                                             

From the highest fare class being C, something tells me they may have taken Dan's advice.......

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Re: Will the LY Dreamliner have a First Class cabin? (a little hint)
« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2017, 07:52:06 AM »
They are removing F and considering PE

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Re: Will the LY Dreamliner have a First Class cabin? (a little hint)
« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2017, 08:20:09 AM »
They are removing F and considering PE
Source?
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Re: Will the LY Dreamliner have a First Class cabin? (a little hint)
« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2017, 03:55:46 PM »
Source?
I don't have a source, but being that they now put "W,Q,B,P," between X and Y it definitely seems to indicate that.

For those unfamiliar, W used to be "discounted economy" P was "First award" and Q and B are 2 random economy fare classes that are being eliminated starting September 1.

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Re: Will the LY Dreamliner have a First Class cabin? (a little hint)
« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2017, 03:59:19 PM »
Was asking chff
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Re: Will the LY Dreamliner have a First Class cabin? (a little hint)
« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2017, 04:13:20 PM »
Boo
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Re: Will the LY Dreamliner have a First Class cabin? (a little hint)
« Reply #7 on: March 19, 2017, 04:14:16 PM »
I don't have a source, but being that they now put "W,Q,B,P," between X and Y it definitely seems to indicate that.

For those unfamiliar, W used to be "discounted economy" P was "First award" and Q and B are 2 random economy fare classes that are being eliminated starting September 1.

Email from 8/26/16
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Dear partner,
 
Please be advised that EL AL new fare structure for departures ON/AFTER September 1, 2017 will be reflected in your GDS system as of September 1, 2016.
 
The new structure will exclude RBDs "W" , "B" , "Q" , "P".
 
The rest of the RBDs' rules and fares were updated accordingly.
 
The fare structure for all departures and returns till August 31, 2017 stays the same.
 
 
Thank You,
North America Team

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Re: Will the LY Dreamliner have a First Class cabin? (a little hint)
« Reply #8 on: March 19, 2017, 04:17:35 PM »
Well - there you go

Flight is not loaded in 1A only in 1S - but here is the filfo

Code: [Select]
AN2SEPTLVLAX/ALY/FD                                                             
** AMADEUS AVAILABILITY - AN ** LAX LOS ANGELES.USCA         167 SA 02SEP 0000 
NO FLIGHT FOR THIS CITY PAIR - ENTER A CONNECT POINT /X...                     

Code: [Select]
TN2SEPTLVLAX/ALY                                                               
** AMADEUS TIMETABLE - TN ** LAX LOS ANGELES.USCA              02SEP17 09SEP17 
 1   LY 555  6    TLV 3 LAX B  100A    625A   0 02SEP17 02SEP17 789 15:25       

Code: [Select]
12SEPTLVLAX‡LY«                                                 
 02SEP  SAT   TLV/Z‡3     LAX/PDT-10                           
1LY     555 C0 I0 D0 Z0 J0*TLVLAX  100A  625A 789 BH 0 J DCA /E
            R0 X0 W0 Q0 B0 P0 Y0 S0 M0                         

Code: [Select]
>doly555
DOLY555                                                                         
FLIGHT NOT OPERATIONAL                                                         
>doly555/2sep
DOLY555/2SEP                                                                   
*1A PLANNED FLIGHT INFO*              LY 555  167 SA 02SEP17                   
APT ARR   DY DEP   DY CLASS/MEAL          EQP  GRND  EFT   TTL                 
TLV          0100  SA (CLASS NOT AVAIL-)  789        15:25                     
LAX 0625  SA                                               15:25               
                                                                               
COMMENTS-                                                                       
 1.TLV LAX   - DEPARTS TERMINAL 3                                               
 2.TLV LAX   - ARRIVES TERMINAL B                                               
 3.TLV LAX   -   1/ MOVIE                                                       
 4.TLV LAX   -   4/ AUDIO PROGRAMMING                                           
 5.TLV LAX   -   7/ DUTY FREE SALES                                             
 6.TLV LAX   -   9/ NON-SMOKING                                                 
 7.TLV LAX   - SECURED FLIGHT                                                   
 8.TLV LAX   -  ET/ ELECTRONIC TKT CANDIDATE                                   
 9.TLV LAX   - TEST FLIGH  NO BOOKING ALLOWED                                   
10.TLV LAX   -  CO2/PAX* 666.79 KG ECO, 1,333.59 KG PRE                         
 (*):SOURCE:ICAO CARBON EMISSIONS CALCULATOR                                   
                                                                               
CONFIGURATION-                                                                 
               789  C  32   W  28   Y 222                                       

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CONFIGURATION-                                                                 
               789  C  32   W  28   Y 222     
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Re: Will the LY Dreamliner have a First Class cabin? (a little hint)
« Reply #9 on: March 19, 2017, 04:20:52 PM »

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Re: Will the LY Dreamliner have a First Class cabin? (a little hint)
« Reply #10 on: March 19, 2017, 04:21:08 PM »
Email from 8/26/16
I'm well aware of that, but that email makes no mention of PE. But in the above snapshot from Sabre, it looks like they're adding those exact fare classes as PE. (check your GDS 02SEP TLVLAX)

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Re: Will the LY Dreamliner have a First Class cabin? (a little hint)
« Reply #11 on: March 19, 2017, 04:23:45 PM »
Well - there you go

Flight is not loaded in 1A only in 1S - but here is the filfo

Code: [Select]
AN2SEPTLVLAX/ALY/FD                                                             
** AMADEUS AVAILABILITY - AN ** LAX LOS ANGELES.USCA         167 SA 02SEP 0000 
NO FLIGHT FOR THIS CITY PAIR - ENTER A CONNECT POINT /X...                     

Code: [Select]
TN2SEPTLVLAX/ALY                                                               
** AMADEUS TIMETABLE - TN ** LAX LOS ANGELES.USCA              02SEP17 09SEP17 
 1   LY 555  6    TLV 3 LAX B  100A    625A   0 02SEP17 02SEP17 789 15:25       

Code: [Select]
12SEPTLVLAX‡LY«                                                 
 02SEP  SAT   TLV/Z‡3     LAX/PDT-10                           
1LY     555 C0 I0 D0 Z0 J0*TLVLAX  100A  625A 789 BH 0 J DCA /E
            R0 X0 W0 Q0 B0 P0 Y0 S0 M0                         

Code: [Select]
>doly555
DOLY555                                                                         
FLIGHT NOT OPERATIONAL                                                         
>doly555/2sep
DOLY555/2SEP                                                                   
*1A PLANNED FLIGHT INFO*              LY 555  167 SA 02SEP17                   
APT ARR   DY DEP   DY CLASS/MEAL          EQP  GRND  EFT   TTL                 
TLV          0100  SA (CLASS NOT AVAIL-)  789        15:25                     
LAX 0625  SA                                               15:25               
                                                                               
COMMENTS-                                                                       
 1.TLV LAX   - DEPARTS TERMINAL 3                                               
 2.TLV LAX   - ARRIVES TERMINAL B                                               
 3.TLV LAX   -   1/ MOVIE                                                       
 4.TLV LAX   -   4/ AUDIO PROGRAMMING                                           
 5.TLV LAX   -   7/ DUTY FREE SALES                                             
 6.TLV LAX   -   9/ NON-SMOKING                                                 
 7.TLV LAX   - SECURED FLIGHT                                                   
 8.TLV LAX   -  ET/ ELECTRONIC TKT CANDIDATE                                   
 9.TLV LAX   - TEST FLIGH  NO BOOKING ALLOWED                                   
10.TLV LAX   -  CO2/PAX* 666.79 KG ECO, 1,333.59 KG PRE                         
 (*):SOURCE:ICAO CARBON EMISSIONS CALCULATOR                                   
                                                                               
CONFIGURATION-                                                                 
               789  C  32   W  28   Y 222                                       

Code: [Select]
CONFIGURATION-                                                                 
               789  C  32   W  28   Y 222     
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Thanks. I'm not familiar with Amadeus, but I get the point.

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Re: Will the LY Dreamliner have a First Class cabin? (a little hint)
« Reply #12 on: March 19, 2017, 04:26:03 PM »
They are removing F and considering PE
Seems like PE is there, no?
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Re: Will the LY Dreamliner have a First Class cabin? (a little hint)
« Reply #13 on: March 19, 2017, 04:26:13 PM »
I wonder how they will now reward their elites. Until today they were eligible for free E+ seating, but with PE in place, that benefit goes out the window.

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Re: Will the LY Dreamliner have a First Class cabin? (a little hint)
« Reply #14 on: March 19, 2017, 04:26:38 PM »
Seems like PE is there, no?

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