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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #30 on: April 04, 2017, 07:31:34 AM »

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #31 on: April 04, 2017, 07:53:34 AM »
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Evil? It has more to do with lazy people who can't manage to make Yom Tov like their parents or grandparents did for generations. There are always people who actually can't make though.

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #32 on: April 04, 2017, 08:17:25 AM »
Is that the going price for something like this? I assume this is for a family, how many?

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #33 on: April 04, 2017, 08:31:27 AM »
Evil? It has more to do with lazy people who can't manage to make Yom Tov like their parents or grandparents did for generations. There are always people who actually can't make though.
that depends on the program. There are some which offer programs ranging from a basic to a very nice Yom tov with activities for those people. These exotic programs are much more than that.
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #34 on: April 04, 2017, 08:34:16 AM »
These programs are evil IMO.
Not necessarily evil but definitely not in the spirit of Pesach. We were always taught, pesach you stay home, sukkos you leave your house. These days its the opposite, pesach you leave home and built-in sukkos have brought that yom tov into the house.

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #35 on: April 04, 2017, 08:40:22 AM »
Not necessarily evil but definitely not in the spirit of Pesach. We were always taught, pesach you stay home, sukkos you leave your house. These days its the opposite, pesach you leave home and built-in sukkos have brought that yom tov into the house.

not sure about this "pesach you stay home" training.

Never heard of Aliyah L'Regel?

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #36 on: April 04, 2017, 08:41:44 AM »
not sure about this "pesach you stay home" training.

Never heard of Aliyah L'Regel?
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #37 on: April 04, 2017, 08:51:06 AM »
not sure about this "pesach you stay home" training.
I think he's referring to the idea that the whole avodah of Pesach is to spend time with our children and give over the mesorah of yetziyas mitzrayim, emunah, and kol mimi d'meitav. Yes, it's harder nowadays that they come to the seder knowing "everything", but that is still the letter of the law and the flavor of the law, and we are enjoined to accomplish this to the best of our abilities. Obviously, the home atmosphere is much more conducive to this than any other venue.

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #38 on: April 04, 2017, 08:58:40 AM »
I think he's referring to the idea that the whole avodah of Pesach is to spend time with our children and give over the mesorah of yetziyas mitzrayim, emunah, and kol mimi d'meitav. Yes, it's harder nowadays that they come to the seder knowing "everything", but that is still the letter of the law and the flavor of the law, and we are enjoined to accomplish this to the best of our abilities. Obviously, the home atmosphere is much more conducive to this than any other venue.

And I argue that in the times of the beis hamikdash they seemed to be able to do that even away from home. granted it was yerushalayim and there was the korban pesach but still to say that pesach is at home seems to be a bit strong. One could argue that pesach in a hotel is closer to pesach in yerushalayim of old where one got together a chaburah to eat the korban pesach away from their home.

IMO the pesach programs are bad chinuch for the focus of gashmiyus, but to complain about not being able to give over the mesorah as well at a hotel vs home seems a bit farfetched.

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #39 on: April 04, 2017, 09:03:51 AM »
that depends on the program. There are some which offer programs ranging from a basic to a very nice Yom tov with activities for those people. These exotic programs are much more less than that.
FTFY
As in less focus on Yomtov, more focus on indulgence.
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #40 on: April 04, 2017, 09:04:05 AM »
not sure about this "pesach you stay home" training.

Never heard of Aliyah L'Regel?
Even when one was Oleh Regel, they stayed with their group/family, had their own korban, werent allowed to partake in other's. A pesach program at a resort is absolutely not what aliyah l'regel was all about. So yeah, staying at home (in the family sense) is the proper training.

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #41 on: April 04, 2017, 09:11:27 AM »

One could argue that pesach in a hotel is closer to pesach in yerushalayim of old where one got together a chaburah to eat the korban pesach away from their home.
With a straight face? :o
IMO the pesach programs are bad chinuch for the focus of gashmiyus
Exactly!
Which is why I disagree with this:
but to complain about not being able to give over the mesorah as well at a hotel vs home seems a bit farfetched.

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #42 on: April 04, 2017, 09:14:27 AM »
And another thread goes off topic.
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #43 on: April 04, 2017, 09:16:53 AM »
And another thread goes off topic.

That's why they call it JS  :-\

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #44 on: April 04, 2017, 09:21:06 AM »
With a straight face? :o
Exactly!
Which is why I disagree with this:

There's your chinuch.
If you can even argue that without a straight face then the mesorah has been lost.