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Re: Man forcibly removed from overbooked United flight
« Reply #100 on: April 13, 2017, 07:12:49 PM »
I can't know for sure, but I'd bet my best buck that United didn't request a passenger be beaten. They asked that he be removed and the officer took it from there. I do agree this was handled inappropriately from a PR standpoint, but that doesn't mean the can't legally remove you from their plane.
Based on what I've read, he was an agent of the airport, not United. Regardless, it will come back to United though, because that is how it's being portrayed. Airlines reserve the right to remove any passenger for any reason they see fit, while it may not be logical, they can do it.
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Re: Man forcibly removed from overbooked United flight
« Reply #101 on: April 13, 2017, 07:13:00 PM »
Regardless, it will come back to United though
It already has. BIG TIME!!

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Re: Man forcibly removed from overbooked United flight
« Reply #102 on: April 13, 2017, 07:13:26 PM »
I can't know for sure, but I'd bet my best buck that United didn't request a passenger be beaten. They asked that he be removed and the officer took it from there. I do agree this was handled inappropriately from a PR standpoint, but that doesn't mean the can't legally remove you from their plane.

Based on what I've read, he was an agent of the airport, not United. Regardless, it will come back to United though, because that is how it's being portrayed. Airlines reserve the right to remove any passenger for any reason they see fit, while it may not be logical, they can do it.

I'm sure his lawyers will file a lawsuit with the city of chicago as well, since it was a city police officer i believe

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Re: Man forcibly removed from overbooked United flight
« Reply #103 on: April 13, 2017, 07:13:55 PM »
I can't know for sure, but I'd bet my best buck that United didn't request a passenger be beaten. They asked that he be removed and the officer took it from there. I do agree this was handled inappropriately from a PR standpoint, but that doesn't mean the can't legally remove you from their plane.
Based on what I've read, he was an agent of the airport, not United. Regardless, it will come back to United though, because that is how it's being portrayed. Airlines reserve the right to remove any passenger for any reason they see fit, while it may not be logical, they can do it.

1. Airlines can deny boarding to anyone. Not sure they can remove anyone for anything. Where in the contract of carriage does it say what you claim.
2. United requested that they remove him from the plane. They share in responsibility for the manner in which the passenger was removed. You can view it like subcontracting work out. You can go over both the contractor and subcontractor in court. Maybe a lawyer can chime in.

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Re: Man forcibly removed from overbooked United flight
« Reply #104 on: April 13, 2017, 07:14:26 PM »
Love it you should be hired

Blame it on the marshals.
I blame the marshals for what they did. United grossly mishandled this situation in many ways, but the one thing they did not do is beat a passenger.
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Re: Man forcibly removed from overbooked United flight
« Reply #105 on: April 13, 2017, 07:14:34 PM »
I'm sure his lawyers will file a lawsuit with the city of chicago as well, since it was a city police officer i believe
Of course they will, but their target will be the bigger pockets. Chicago is basically bankrupt.

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Re: Man forcibly removed from overbooked United flight
« Reply #106 on: April 13, 2017, 07:19:42 PM »
I blame the marshals for what they did. United grossly mishandled this situation in many ways, but the one thing they did not do is beat a passenger.

I share your sentiment. United didn't harm the passenger,  they just enforced their stupid bump rule, and when this arrogant passenger decided not to cooperate, they threw him off the plane. I am not justifying their act, but it's the police that is at fault, and somewhat the passenger. Always comply with law enforcement, don't be a smart***.

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Re: Man forcibly removed from overbooked United flight
« Reply #107 on: April 13, 2017, 07:20:15 PM »
I'm sure his lawyers will file a lawsuit with the city of chicago as well, since it was a city police officer i believe

Not a police officer.  Aviation officer. They no carry guns

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Re: Man forcibly removed from overbooked United flight
« Reply #108 on: April 13, 2017, 07:21:19 PM »
I share your sentiment. United didn't harm the passenger,  they just enforced their stupid bump rule, and when this arrogant passenger decided not to cooperate, they threw him off the plane. I am not justifying their act, but it's the police that is at fault, and somewhat the passenger. Always comply with law enforcement, don't be a smart***.

Assuming that is the rule.  I've heard they can deny boarding.  Not sure once you board they can still kick off. 

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Re: Man forcibly removed from overbooked United flight
« Reply #109 on: April 13, 2017, 07:26:37 PM »
Assuming that is the rule.  I've heard they can deny boarding.  Not sure once you board they can still kick off.
Let's assume they can't, they still should not be on the hook for his beating, only his missed flight and the like.
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Re: Man forcibly removed from overbooked United flight
« Reply #110 on: April 13, 2017, 07:26:59 PM »
Not a police officer.  Aviation officer. They no carry guns
well somewhat true, apparently they've been fighting for the right in chicago to carry gun for years, and now it seems like they'll never get it.
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Re: Man forcibly removed from overbooked United flight
« Reply #111 on: April 13, 2017, 07:30:18 PM »
Not a police officer.  Aviation officer. They no carry guns

semantics?  "Chicago Aviation Department police officer"

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Re: Man forcibly removed from overbooked United flight
« Reply #112 on: April 13, 2017, 07:37:32 PM »
Let's assume they can't, they still should not be on the hook for his beating, only his missed flight and the like.
Regardless I think United would be on the hook. But the case is stronger if they had no right to kick passenger off plane

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Re: Man forcibly removed from overbooked United flight
« Reply #113 on: April 13, 2017, 07:38:41 PM »
I hope he gets a few million bucks
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Re: Man forcibly removed from overbooked United flight
« Reply #114 on: April 13, 2017, 07:45:01 PM »
Let's assume they can't, they still should not be on the hook for his beating, only his missed flight and the like.

Not obvious.  They told hired guns (without guns) to forcibly evict him.  Pretty easy to see how that ends like this

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Re: Man forcibly removed from overbooked United flight
« Reply #115 on: April 13, 2017, 07:45:48 PM »
semantics?  "Chicago Aviation Department police officer"

Acc to what I've been reading,  it's basically just a patronage job invented by the Chicago machine

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Re: Man forcibly removed from overbooked United flight
« Reply #116 on: April 13, 2017, 07:47:16 PM »
Love it you should be hired

Blame it on the marshals.
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Re: Man forcibly removed from overbooked United flight
« Reply #117 on: April 13, 2017, 07:47:47 PM »
I hope he gets a few million bucks

Maybe a few millions miles 😜
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Re: Man forcibly removed from overbooked United flight
« Reply #118 on: April 13, 2017, 07:48:34 PM »
Maybe a few millions miles 😜
lol, something tells me he ain't flying united again
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Re: Man forcibly removed from overbooked United flight
« Reply #119 on: April 13, 2017, 07:49:27 PM »
Of course they will, but their target will be the bigger pockets. Chicago is basically bankrupt.
It's not making it to court. United wants this over with, and the lawyers know they'll do much better with a generous settlement than they'll do in court.
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