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Re: Man forcibly removed from overbooked United flight
« Reply #90 on: April 13, 2017, 06:42:31 PM »
haha

they could simply say it was his lack of cooperation that caused it

but still it's all perception
Public's Perception is what will pay

Did united have the right to kick someone off a plane who was already boarded and in their seat?

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Re: Man forcibly removed from overbooked United flight
« Reply #91 on: April 13, 2017, 06:43:47 PM »
Did united have the right to kick someone off a plane who was already boarded and in their seat?
That's questionable. And I'm sure will be an argument made by the doctors lawyers.

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Re: Man forcibly removed from overbooked United flight
« Reply #92 on: April 13, 2017, 06:45:27 PM »
I haven't read their T&C's lately but does it include punching a guy's teeth out ? They've already lost a fortune off this.
United never touched the man. An unaffiliated transit officer was called in when he wouldn't cooperate, and he was the one who did the punching.
Did united have the right to kick someone off a plane who was already boarded and in their seat?
Yes.

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Re: Man forcibly removed from overbooked United flight
« Reply #93 on: April 13, 2017, 06:51:25 PM »
United never touched the man. An unaffiliated transit officer was called in when he wouldn't cooperate, and he was the one who did the punching. Yes.

United didn't, but it was at their request. I've read conflicting reports of the rights of the airline/passenger, but most of it deals with denying boarding at the gate, not forcing a seated customer off the plane (unless they were disruptive, which doesnt apply in this case).

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Re: Man forcibly removed from overbooked United flight
« Reply #94 on: April 13, 2017, 06:55:42 PM »
United never touched the man. An unaffiliated transit officer was called in when he wouldn't cooperate, and he was the one who did the punching. Yes.

That argument will never fly. He was an agent of united, no matter how you frame it. And it isn't clear that united could forcibly remove a seated passenger who wasn't posing any safety risk.

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Re: Man forcibly removed from overbooked United flight
« Reply #95 on: April 13, 2017, 06:59:41 PM »
this guy became a internet sensation overnight.
I hope he capitalized on it.
Not very pretty stuff coming out in him though

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Re: Man forcibly removed from overbooked United flight
« Reply #96 on: April 13, 2017, 07:03:09 PM »
Not very pretty stuff coming out in him though
That won't matter

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Re: Man forcibly removed from overbooked United flight
« Reply #97 on: April 13, 2017, 07:04:11 PM »
He's gonna get a million bucks imo. If not more.

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Re: Man forcibly removed from overbooked United flight
« Reply #98 on: April 13, 2017, 07:07:16 PM »
That won't matter

And it shouldn't matter.

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Re: Man forcibly removed from overbooked United flight
« Reply #99 on: April 13, 2017, 07:09:57 PM »
United didn't, but it was at their request. I've read conflicting reports of the rights of the airline/passenger, but most of it deals with denying boarding at the gate, not forcing a seated customer off the plane (unless they were disruptive, which doesnt apply in this case).
I can't know for sure, but I'd bet my best buck that United didn't request a passenger be beaten. They asked that he be removed and the officer took it from there. I do agree this was handled inappropriately from a PR standpoint, but that doesn't mean the can't legally remove you from their plane.

That argument will never fly. He was an agent of united, no matter how you frame it. And it isn't clear that united could forcibly remove a seated passenger who wasn't posing any safety risk.
Based on what I've read, he was an agent of the airport, not United. Regardless, it will come back to United though, because that is how it's being portrayed. Airlines reserve the right to remove any passenger for any reason they see fit, while it may not be logical, they can do it.

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Re: Man forcibly removed from overbooked United flight
« Reply #100 on: April 13, 2017, 07:12:49 PM »
I can't know for sure, but I'd bet my best buck that United didn't request a passenger be beaten. They asked that he be removed and the officer took it from there. I do agree this was handled inappropriately from a PR standpoint, but that doesn't mean the can't legally remove you from their plane.
Based on what I've read, he was an agent of the airport, not United. Regardless, it will come back to United though, because that is how it's being portrayed. Airlines reserve the right to remove any passenger for any reason they see fit, while it may not be logical, they can do it.
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Re: Man forcibly removed from overbooked United flight
« Reply #101 on: April 13, 2017, 07:13:00 PM »
Regardless, it will come back to United though
It already has. BIG TIME!!

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Re: Man forcibly removed from overbooked United flight
« Reply #102 on: April 13, 2017, 07:13:26 PM »
I can't know for sure, but I'd bet my best buck that United didn't request a passenger be beaten. They asked that he be removed and the officer took it from there. I do agree this was handled inappropriately from a PR standpoint, but that doesn't mean the can't legally remove you from their plane.

Based on what I've read, he was an agent of the airport, not United. Regardless, it will come back to United though, because that is how it's being portrayed. Airlines reserve the right to remove any passenger for any reason they see fit, while it may not be logical, they can do it.

I'm sure his lawyers will file a lawsuit with the city of chicago as well, since it was a city police officer i believe

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Re: Man forcibly removed from overbooked United flight
« Reply #103 on: April 13, 2017, 07:13:55 PM »
I can't know for sure, but I'd bet my best buck that United didn't request a passenger be beaten. They asked that he be removed and the officer took it from there. I do agree this was handled inappropriately from a PR standpoint, but that doesn't mean the can't legally remove you from their plane.
Based on what I've read, he was an agent of the airport, not United. Regardless, it will come back to United though, because that is how it's being portrayed. Airlines reserve the right to remove any passenger for any reason they see fit, while it may not be logical, they can do it.

1. Airlines can deny boarding to anyone. Not sure they can remove anyone for anything. Where in the contract of carriage does it say what you claim.
2. United requested that they remove him from the plane. They share in responsibility for the manner in which the passenger was removed. You can view it like subcontracting work out. You can go over both the contractor and subcontractor in court. Maybe a lawyer can chime in.

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Re: Man forcibly removed from overbooked United flight
« Reply #104 on: April 13, 2017, 07:14:26 PM »
Love it you should be hired

Blame it on the marshals.
I blame the marshals for what they did. United grossly mishandled this situation in many ways, but the one thing they did not do is beat a passenger.