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Re: Where are you going to watch the (Total) Solar Eclipse on August 21?
« Reply #30 on: August 17, 2017, 10:29:34 AM »


Total eclipse coming through upstate NY in 2024.

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If high magnitude eclipse goes through California during midday, then we could see huge campaigns asking for conservation of energy that day. But power companies could also fire up the old coal generating equipment for one day.

They'll quicker spend billions in California then use coal even for 1 day...

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Re: Where are you going to watch the (Total) Solar Eclipse on August 21?
« Reply #31 on: August 17, 2017, 10:30:38 AM »
Will be an issue in a few years when 1/3 of electricity is solar.
Won't happen. In the northeast solar is less than 1% of capacity and even in CA it is about 5. Their projections to reach 50% renewable only include solar at less than 10% of total capacity. The unreliability of solar is very much taken into account when the grid plans for reliability. ISOs which have capacity markets (the entire from IL to WV and north as well as most of the Midwest) only allow solar, wind, and the like to be included up to a certain percentage of capacity.
But power companies could also fire up the old coal generating equipment for one day. Or the eclipse could happen late in the day, which is not peak generation time.
This is a misconception of the practicalities of electric generation. A coal plant can't just suddenly one day decide to power up. It takes weeks and months of planning. It also does not just sit. Retired plants are either getting converted or dismantled. They don't just sit around waiting for the next eclipse.

Peak usage is also not at mid-day. Typically it occurs between 3 and 6 pm.
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Re: Where are you going to watch the (Total) Solar Eclipse on August 21?
« Reply #32 on: August 17, 2017, 10:34:44 AM »

They'll quicker spend billions in California then use coal even for 1 day...


In CA, sure. Plus, a day of conservation will only seem funner. If it's close enough to Earth Day then Sesame Street and NPR will help out. But the rest of the country may find it tougher to widely implement conservation.

A few hours of sunlight downtime is a blip in the larger scheme of things, but the energy industry has to make contingency plans for everything.
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Re: Where are you going to watch the (Total) Solar Eclipse on August 21?
« Reply #33 on: August 17, 2017, 10:37:22 AM »
This is a misconception of the practicalities of electric generation. A coal plant can't just suddenly one day decide to power up. It takes weeks and months of planning. It also does not just sit. Retired plants are either getting converted or dismantled. They don't just sit around waiting for the next eclipse.

Peak usage is also not at mid-day. Typically it occurs between 3 and 6 pm.

I respect your knowledge man, but it's not a misconception. An eclipse doesn't sneak up on us. Before the country would ever convert to being 33% reliant on solar energy you better believe there would be an eclipse contingency plan in place. And if that meant maintaining redundant reserve generating capacity they would do that.
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Re: Where are you going to watch the (Total) Solar Eclipse on August 21?
« Reply #34 on: August 17, 2017, 11:07:05 AM »
I respect your knowledge man, but it's not a misconception. An eclipse doesn't sneak up on us. Before the country would ever convert to being 33% reliant on solar energy you better believe there would be an eclipse contingency plan in place. And if that meant maintaining redundant reserve generating capacity they would do that.
Of course they plan, but dusting off an old coal plant won't work.
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Re: Where are you going to watch the (Total) Solar Eclipse on August 21?
« Reply #35 on: August 17, 2017, 11:46:32 AM »
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Re: Where are you going to watch the (Total) Solar Eclipse on August 21?
« Reply #36 on: August 17, 2017, 11:51:05 AM »
Is there going to be a DO?
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Re: Where are you going to watch the (Total) Solar Eclipse on August 21?
« Reply #37 on: August 17, 2017, 12:35:59 PM »
The DO will be easy to find, I'll probably be the tallest thing on the prairie for miles around.
I hope there's no lightning.

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Re: Where are you going to watch the (Total) Solar Eclipse on August 21?
« Reply #38 on: August 17, 2017, 12:36:37 PM »
I'm going to be in ATL, and either drive north to the TN border, or NE into SC.

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Re: Where are you going to watch the (Total) Solar Eclipse on August 21?
« Reply #39 on: August 17, 2017, 12:53:42 PM »
I'm going to be in ATL, and either drive north to the TN border, or NE into SC.

I'm driving from ATL up north on sunday morning to a jewish camp that's right dead in the center of the path.  It's having two days of programming and then a BBQ during the exclipse itself. 

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Re: Where are you going to watch the (Total) Solar Eclipse on August 21?
« Reply #40 on: August 17, 2017, 01:07:43 PM »
Won't happen. In the northeast solar is less than 1% of capacity and even in CA it is about 5. Their projections to reach 50% renewable only include solar at less than 10% of total capacity. The unreliability of solar is very much taken into account when the grid plans for reliability. ISOs which have capacity markets (the entire from IL to WV and north as well as most of the Midwest) only allow solar, wind, and the like to be included up to a certain percentage of capacity.This is a misconception of the practicalities of electric generation. A coal plant can't just suddenly one day decide to power up. It takes weeks and months of planning. It also does not just sit. Retired plants are either getting converted or dismantled. They don't just sit around waiting for the next eclipse.

Peak usage is also not at mid-day. Typically it occurs between 3 and 6 pm.
They are currently working on making solar viable to be used as 1/3 of all electricity, such as huge battery stations. Don't say something won't work because of practicalities. Electric cars where not at all practical, where they?
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Re: Where are you going to watch the (Total) Solar Eclipse on August 21?
« Reply #41 on: August 17, 2017, 01:12:30 PM »
They are currently working on making solar viable to be used as 1/3 of all electricity, such as huge battery stations. Don't say something won't work because of practicalities. Electric cars where not at all practical, where they?
In a few years? If it is in conjunction with batteries then it will not be an issue during an eclipse either. Also being viable and actually getting there are two very different things. Even CAISO does not predict more than around 9% solar by 2030.

What makes you say that those saying electric cars were impractical were wrong? There is not yet any practical electric car for the vast majority of car users. Even the ones who do buy them are doing it for ideology or status.
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Re: Where are you going to watch the (Total) Solar Eclipse on August 21?
« Reply #42 on: August 17, 2017, 01:13:24 PM »
In a few years? If it is in conjunction with batteries then it will not be an issue during an eclipse either. Also being viable and actually getting there are two very different things.

What makes you say that those saying electric cars were impractical were wrong? There is not yet any practical electric car for the vast majority of car users. Even the ones who do buy them are doing it for ideology or status.
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Re: Where are you going to watch the (Total) Solar Eclipse on August 21?
« Reply #43 on: August 17, 2017, 01:14:30 PM »
Tesla model 3? 500,000 people on the wait list...
what does that mean?
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Re: Where are you going to watch the (Total) Solar Eclipse on August 21?
« Reply #44 on: August 17, 2017, 01:16:25 PM »
what does that mean?
That 500,000 people put $1,000 down on an all electric car.
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