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I'm going to try to make an index of the questions and answers here. I'm thinking of writing a short summary of the question/topic then writing the reply number, date, author (in case someone deletes a post it should still be findable). And writing locations of relevant replies on that question.

Question 1- Why did Hashem want to create the world? (Reply #1, 8/29/17, Starstruck)

See reply #78 8/31/17 churnbabychurn. #26 8/30/17 chbochur. #53 8/30/17 starstruck. #65 8/30/17 chbochur.

Question 2 - Why does beis din have to give punishments, can't Hashem give it? (#77 8/31/17 starstruck)

See reply #99 9/01/17 zh Cohen. #147 9/06/17 starstruck.

Question 3 - Why isn't there a sefeika d'yoma by Yom Kippur (but by Sukkos there is)? (#88 9/01/17 Dan)

See pages 7,8,9,10

Question 4 - Why is it נוח לו לאדם שלא נברא יותר משנברא if the whole purpose of the world is to be meitiv? ( #112 9/01/17 chbochur)

See #146 9/05/17 aygart and quoted conversations.


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Re: Jewish Philosophy
« Reply #100 on: September 01, 2017, 11:03:42 AM »
How does that explain how they knew which day was YK?

It seems like the sfeika d'yoma was never enough of a reason to keep a second day when that would be sakonas nefoshois.

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Re: Jewish Philosophy
« Reply #101 on: September 01, 2017, 11:05:23 AM »
It seems like the sfeika d'yoma was never enough of a reason to keep a second day when that would be sakonas nefoshois.
How does that answer my question?
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Re: Jewish Philosophy
« Reply #102 on: September 01, 2017, 11:30:02 AM »
How does that answer my question?

For Yom Kippur they had no choice but to assume what day it was on (based on the information they had, they could probably make an educated guess). On Sukkos, there is no reason to rely on guesswork.

This is my understanding based solely on a quick reading of the text linked above.

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Re: Jewish Philosophy
« Reply #103 on: September 01, 2017, 12:29:59 PM »
What did they do if they found out they made YK the wrong day?
Make-up fast?
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Re: Jewish Philosophy
« Reply #104 on: September 01, 2017, 12:37:14 PM »
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Re: Jewish Philosophy
« Reply #105 on: September 01, 2017, 12:41:19 PM »
Lo Adu Rosh...except in year 1.
Anyone else ever bothered that our calendar can't go back to year 1?
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Re: Jewish Philosophy
« Reply #106 on: September 01, 2017, 12:41:43 PM »
What did they do if they found out they made YK the wrong day?
Make-up fast?

I once heard (can't remember the source, so can't verify) that the bochrim who were in Kobe during the war fasted for two days due to the date line issue.
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Re: Jewish Philosophy
« Reply #107 on: September 01, 2017, 12:42:46 PM »
I once heard (can't remember the source, so can't verify) that the bochrim who were in Kobe during the war fasted for two days due to the date line issue.
Yup, I think there were Chabad bochurim on a boat in the Pacific that did 2 days during WW2. Apparently got quite sick as well.
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Re: Jewish Philosophy
« Reply #108 on: September 01, 2017, 12:47:58 PM »
Lo Adu Rosh...except in year 1.
Anyone else ever bothered that our calendar can't go back to year 1?
It all has to do with how the sanhedrin manipulated it. There was no sanhedrin then and also none of the reasons applied.
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Re: Jewish Philosophy
« Reply #109 on: September 01, 2017, 12:48:20 PM »
What did they do if they found out they made YK the wrong day?
Make-up fast?
Why would there be a make-up?
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Re: Jewish Philosophy
« Reply #110 on: September 01, 2017, 12:55:25 PM »
It all has to do with how the sanhedrin manipulated it. There was no sanhedrin then and also none of the reasons applied.
I know, I just find it interesting that there's no way for it to work backwards.
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Re: Jewish Philosophy
« Reply #111 on: September 01, 2017, 02:17:53 PM »
How does that explain how they knew which day was YK?
The encyclopedia talmudis brings (although I can't seem to see the source) that Yom Kippur is on the '39th day' of elul and is only done for one day.

 the minhag avoseinu (aside for those who did but we're definitely not the majority) was never to do two days for Yom Kippur because of sfeika deyoma, due to the sakanah involved, therefore there is no reason to do it nowadays, if the whole reason we do two days Yom tov is minhag avoseinu, for there was never such an accepted minhag.

Some say that the chazakah was that tishrei was usually not an ubar and if it was they would send (faster then usual) messages that it was in fact meubar and to know the proper day for yom Kippur.
There are those that say even when they were mekadash Al pi hori-iyah they always went on the chazakah that tishrei was never miubar and technically you wouldn't need to do two days for the other yomim tovim in tishrei but the chachomim were choishesh for the other yomim tovim but for Yom Kippur they left it at the dioraysa that you only keep one day and once they changed it regarding eating they decided not to make it Yom tov regarding melachah.

See encyclopedia talmudis vol 23 page tzadik daled for a more detailed discussion

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Re: Jewish Philosophy
« Reply #112 on: September 01, 2017, 02:31:14 PM »




Let's start off with the question of why did Hashem make this world? I think the standard answer is because he wanted to be meitiv to His briyos.


Just curious how this answer fits with the gemara in eiruvin נוח לו לאדם שלא נברא  יותר משנברא, עכשיו שנברא - יפשפש במעשיו
 How is that being meitav al habriyos?

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Re: Jewish Philosophy
« Reply #113 on: September 01, 2017, 02:53:54 PM »

Just curious how this answer fits with the gemara in eiruvin נוח לו לאדם שלא נברא  יותר משנברא, עכשיו שנברא - יפשפש במעשיו
 How is that being meitav al habriyos?
Translate the first word
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Re: Jewish Philosophy
« Reply #114 on: September 01, 2017, 02:59:46 PM »
Translate the first word
נוח = Comfortable/Pleasant
Are you trying to bring out a point here?

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Re: Jewish Philosophy
« Reply #115 on: September 01, 2017, 03:08:31 PM »
נוח = Comfortable/Pleasant
Are you trying to bring out a point here?
Is that the same as מוטב?
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Re: Jewish Philosophy
« Reply #116 on: September 01, 2017, 03:12:30 PM »
Is that the same as מוטב?
If the reason hashem created the world was to be meitav "make comfortable" for the briyos how does that fit with the above maimer razal that נוח "it would be more "comfortable" to have not been created?

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Re: Jewish Philosophy
« Reply #117 on: September 01, 2017, 03:15:25 PM »
If the reason hashem created the world was to be meitav "make comfortable" for the briyos how does that fit with the above maimer razal that נוח "it would be more "comfortable" to have not been created?
Meitiv does not mean make comfortable.
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Re: Jewish Philosophy
« Reply #118 on: September 01, 2017, 03:23:13 PM »
Meitiv does not mean make comfortable.
True, so explain the difference and how it applies here

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Re: Jewish Philosophy
« Reply #119 on: September 01, 2017, 03:38:16 PM »
True, so explain the difference and how it applies here
להטיב Mean to do good or to make better. נוח means it is easier/comfortable/pleasant. It is definitely easier for a person to not have been created but once he was יפשפש במעשיו which is better for him. Doing so will cause Hashem to be מטיב to him.
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