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I'm going to try to make an index of the questions and answers here. I'm thinking of writing a short summary of the question/topic then writing the reply number, date, author (in case someone deletes a post it should still be findable). And writing locations of relevant replies on that question.

Question 1- Why did Hashem want to create the world? (Reply #1, 8/29/17, Starstruck)

See reply #78 8/31/17 churnbabychurn. #26 8/30/17 chbochur. #53 8/30/17 starstruck. #65 8/30/17 chbochur.

Question 2 - Why does beis din have to give punishments, can't Hashem give it? (#77 8/31/17 starstruck)

See reply #99 9/01/17 zh Cohen. #147 9/06/17 starstruck.

Question 3 - Why isn't there a sefeika d'yoma by Yom Kippur (but by Sukkos there is)? (#88 9/01/17 Dan)

See pages 7,8,9,10

Question 4 - Why is it נוח לו לאדם שלא נברא יותר משנברא if the whole purpose of the world is to be meitiv? ( #112 9/01/17 chbochur)

See #146 9/05/17 aygart and quoted conversations.


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Re: Jewish Philosophy
« Reply #75 on: August 31, 2017, 10:18:55 PM »
unfortunately today if you ask why you are an אפיקורס

Everything has a right time and place. Sometimes if you ask you'll be an apikores. That's if you're not asking to get an answer, rather just to try to prove your point. Sometimes you're not an apikores if you ask why. That's if you're asking to get an answer.

This is a universal truth in all circles.

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Re: Jewish Philosophy
« Reply #76 on: August 31, 2017, 10:45:17 PM »


your next question does it make sense to say that Hashem is bound by anything? I will answer with one line in quoted and elaborated in chassidus from the Avodas Hakodesh "כמו שיש לו כח בבלתי בעל גבול כך יש לו כח בגבול. שאם תאמר שיש לו כח בבלתי בעל גבול ואין לו כח בגבול, אתה מחסר שלימותו. ואין סוף הוא שלימותא דכולא. there are sevreal mamorim that explain this concept (but once again i am not going to elaborate here).


your last question how can we say Hashem had a taiveh (the fact that Hashem has this taiveh is a medrash which is Torah of which we say that it is a toiras emes so we can't question that). It is impossible for us to understand why Hashem has such a taiveh, for we are bound by our own intellect and can not understand anything that is higher then us and our low world especially something that is not limited to us our the way we understand things.

It sounds like this is the main part of your answer. I only had two questions that I stretched out a little to explain myself. I appreciate you explaining what iskafya and ishapcha means (although you went a little off tangent  :)

I don't understand what the avodas hakodesh that your quoting means. But you definitely did a lot of writing there and I don't want to trouble you any more (unless you really want to). I can always look into it more.

I think this answer is the most deep we can get for this question. So it's time to think of a new question! Yay

Unless someone has something to add.

Also I would like to make a wiki for a index of all the locations of questions and related answers. What do you guys think?

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Re: Jewish Philosophy
« Reply #77 on: August 31, 2017, 10:48:15 PM »
I thought of another question. Why are there any punishments from beis din shel maata? Can't Hashem take care of the rewards and punishments. Why does He need people to take care of the punishments?

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Re: Jewish Philosophy
« Reply #78 on: August 31, 2017, 10:57:12 PM »
How many levels of "why" do you know of?

Let's start off with the question of why did Hashem make this world? I think the standard answer is because he wanted to be meitiv to His briyos.

So if I asked why does he want to do that, is there an answer to that? Whatever you're going to answer ( I honestly don't know the answer) I'm going to ask "why".

So how many levels of why do you know?
This question is one of the most complex question. Actually the vast majority of the pashtonim did not feel that this question was appropriate. It was included in the general rule of not asking מה היה לפני,ומה אחרי .

The derech hashem, was basically mechadesh the mahalach of using the "reason" for creation as an encouragement for avodas hashem.

His perek on this is extremely complex, where entire volumes​ can be written analyzing every letter.

(Imho it is actually not so appropriate that "derech hatov leheitiv etc" is parroted around like it is a fundamental aspect of emuna. It is not one of the ikrim at all to understand this. Many people who start pondering this, with the mistaken assumption that it is a basic fundamental, can cv come to doubt the real ikrei haemuna.)

Now to the actual issue of the ramchal's mahalach, it is actually seriously contested by the gedoley hachassidus. So don't even take it as an absolute.

Finally, I wouldn't worry about this question much at all, it is way above our pay grade.

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Re: Jewish Philosophy
« Reply #79 on: August 31, 2017, 11:24:24 PM »
+1 My rabbeim always encouraged me to ask questions. They also were not scared to say they didn't know an answer. I used to sometimes call R Avigdor Miller during his lunchbreak with questions. He made me feel like he had all the time in the world for me until 3:07:30pm (made up-I don't remeber the real time) when he said "hatlocho gedola v'chol tuv and hung up on me to bench and leave to mincha.

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Re: Jewish Philosophy
« Reply #80 on: August 31, 2017, 11:25:23 PM »
I thought of another question. Why are there any punishments from beis din shel maata? Can't Hashem take care of the rewards and punishments. Why does He need people to take care of the punishments?
Who says the purpose is punishment?
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Re: Jewish Philosophy
« Reply #81 on: September 01, 2017, 12:02:50 AM »
I created an account just for this. I have another account, I just don't want to link it to this one.
A website I frequent has a rule of only one username per person. As far as I know, he has no real good way of enforcing it.

Is it ethical to make and use a second (or more) username?
What happened to I think it was @username that asked me what "shtayim shehaim arba" means?

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Re: Jewish Philosophy
« Reply #82 on: September 01, 2017, 12:13:24 AM »
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Re: Jewish Philosophy
« Reply #83 on: September 01, 2017, 12:30:26 AM »

um..no. I have never used another username. I am not the OP..

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Re: Jewish Philosophy
« Reply #84 on: September 01, 2017, 12:35:39 AM »
I created an account just for this. I have another account, I just don't want to link it to this one.
A website I frequent has a rule of only one username per person. As far as I know, he has no real good way of enforcing it.

Is it ethical to make and use a second (or more) username?
What happened to I think it was @username that asked me what "echad shehu shtayim" means?
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Re: Jewish Philosophy
« Reply #85 on: September 01, 2017, 12:37:43 AM »
Pop one pop all!!! It's officially Friday!

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Re: Jewish Philosophy
« Reply #86 on: September 01, 2017, 12:54:18 AM »
Who says the purpose is punishment?
+1 I seem to remember a speech explaining that the punishments are just for order. (Like a king to his ppl) but I might be mistaken I'd love it i could find the speech.
On another note, i think this is a great thread!  I know me personally i don't know close to the amount i should (as a frum Jewish bochor) and always looking to hear other points of view. Thanks op!

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Re: Jewish Philosophy
« Reply #87 on: September 01, 2017, 12:54:56 AM »
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Re: Jewish Philosophy
« Reply #88 on: September 01, 2017, 01:16:26 AM »
Why is there no sefeika deyoma for yom kippur?
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Re: Jewish Philosophy
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