Mayim Bialik NY Times Op-Ed Backlash

[hvaces42]

If not for the woman Adam would still be in paradise

Yes women are the root of all evil. They deserve whatever they get. Assault away.

[zale]

A more apt analogy is a guy has a heart attack, and in so doing, shines a spotlight on an epidemic of unhealthy eating habits within a specific community or industry.

A member of said community or industry speaks about the issue while the spotlight is still on instead of waiting till the light goes out. Also, said person doesn't go to the bedside of the victim, and certainly doesn't say the victim is to blame. Rather, she goes to the most public venue possible and tackles the broader subject and community, not the individual.

Analogy doesn’t work, because in this case Ms. Bialik is claiming that she DIDN’T get harrassed. If she got harrassed and went on to say that she believes it to be because of her scantily clad dressing style, that would be a different story.

Here it sounds like she is admonishing the victims and gloating about her modesty.

[zh cohen]

Would you agree if G-d never created woman they would never be assaulted? 

Yes. That doesn't take away the responsibility from the person doing the assault and it doesn't mean that woman shouldn't have been created.

[hvaces42]

http://forward.com/opinion/385424/no-modesty-wont-protect-you-from-the-harvey-weinsteins-but-this-might/

[aygart]

http://forward.com/opinion/385424/no-modesty-wont-protect-you-from-the-harvey-weinsteins-but-this-might/

Victim shaming. It doesn't help at all, just ask the people who kept to the halachos of yichud and were still assaulted.

[CS1]

Victim shaming. It doesn't help at all, just ask the people who kept to the halachos of yichud and were still assaulted.

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It's about universal laws for all mankind. the laws that are explained in the article in the past would be called extreme, however now in the post-Arnold Schwartzenegger and post-Harvey era, we are aware that if all men and women kept the laws of 'nigia' and 'yichud', then this could not occur. i.e. no handshakes, quick hugs, private meetings with less than 3-4 people, etc.... Within the first grab or slap, the director would be blacklisted and prevent 1000's of future assaults and victims.

[sky121]

Years ago when women dressed a lot more modest and had a lot more distance and barriers in their relationships with men these things still happened.


Her article did seem to imply that certain things would save you from being treated in certain ways. And while that may be true that isn't the issue at hand at all. And it didn't seem like the right time for her article.

[hvaces42]

So only instance where it is not victim shaming is if it turns out the woman has sellers remorse in a consensual relationship. How many #metoo posts are from people like that?

[CS1]

So only instance where it is not victim shaming is if it turns out the woman has sellers remorse in a consensual relationship. How many #metoo posts are from people like that?

the point of both Mayim Bialik and the forward article is that if men and women kept the laws universally, (http://forward.com/opinion/385424/no-modesty-wont-protect-you-from-the-harvey-weinsteins-but-this-might/), then there would not be the "seller's remorse" concept.

[aygart]

So only instance where it is not victim shaming is if it turns out the woman has sellers remorse in a consensual relationship. How many #metoo posts are from people like that?

I want to refer you to a new concept called nuance. For our purpose it is the opposite of a false absolute. That is a logical fallacy which you are using over and over again here and elsewhere.

[chevron]

I wrote a reply, but given the topic, I realized i'd be lynched. You need to approach this from multiple angles

Mayim is correct, a modestly dressed woman gives off the msg that she isnt an easy flirt.

There is no victim blaming or shaming, no excuses for weinstein and others, she is stating a fact.

I dont know about sexism in the work place, but women can advance to the highest levels now, I think Mayim's point is, if a woman can and should succeed, do that and flaunt it, flaunt your knowledge.

Constantly we are barrage with images of women, of themselves, making themselves sex symbols.

The frum world is recently breaking free with women going out to jobs and careers as high as men.

What about women that slept with weinstein etc by choice to advance their careers, where NO OE forced them, they made a free will choice.

[zh cohen]

This whole discussion is the perfect example of the Hebrew saying "על תהיה צודק, תהיה חכם".

Should a woman have to think about how she dresses and acts in order to be safe(er) from sexual assault, absolutely not. But when you have the right of way, will you ignore the drunk driver barreling towards you, or will you run for your life?

[zh cohen]

Also, the laws of tznius and yichud as I understand them are to lessen the chances that 2 people become close enough that they consensually cross boundaries.

[ChaimMoskowitz]

I wrote a reply, but given the topic, I realized i'd be lynched. You need to approach this from multiple angles

Mayim is correct, a modestly dressed woman gives off the msg that she isnt an easy flirt.

I am going to stop right here. You should not be lynched but taken out back and shot is another story. You are so detached from reality I am speechless.

[henche]

I am going to stop right here. You should not be lynched but taken out back and shot is another story. You are so detached from reality I am speechless.

lynch
lin(t)SH
verb
gerund or present participle: lynching; noun: lynching
(of a mob) kill (someone), especially by hanging, for an alleged offense with or without a legal trial.
synonyms:   execute illegally, hang, kill; informal string up
"he was lynched by the mob"

[chevron]

I am going to stop right here. You should not be lynched but taken out back and shot is another story. You are so detached from reality I am speechless.

Really ? you sound like meyer seewald now..

[hvaces42]

https://www.kveller.com/a-heartfelt-apology-from-mayim-bialik/amp/

Guess she apologized just to make everyone feel good. After all she didnt say anything.

[ChaimMoskowitz]

https://www.kveller.com/a-heartfelt-apology-from-mayim-bialik/amp/

Guess she apologized just to make everyone feel good. After all she didnt say anything.

We all make mistakes and when someone learns from their mistakes it is a positive. Now if only some members here would stop living in the 1800's.

[Emkay]

Now if only some members here would stop living in the 1800's.

Whats wrong? You and @Freddie seem to love it there.

[ChaimMoskowitz]

Whats wrong? You and @Freddie seem to love it there.

More like the early 80's.