Author Topic: The Brothers Who Bought South Africa (Interesting Article Split)  (Read 636 times)

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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #15 on: November 13, 2017, 10:34:15 AM »
I guess that's what Rhodesians have been saying for decades.
it's the title of a famous book https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cry,_the_Beloved_Country
Please. It's racist everywhere and was racist from the second they changed the flag.
here no-one cared until the alt right made it into something
which is why i could fly it on purim and my black neighbors thought it was funny
now no chance

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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #16 on: November 13, 2017, 10:37:06 AM »
it's the title of a famous book https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cry,_the_Beloved_Countryhere no-one cared until the alt right made it into something
which is why i could fly it on purim and my black neighbors thought it was funny
now no chance
If someone doesn't know what a swastika is, does it make you wearing one any less racist?
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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #17 on: November 13, 2017, 10:38:22 AM »
If someone doesn't know what a swastika is, does it make you wearing one any less racist?
you;re now comparing apartheid to nazi's?
we all agree apartheid was bad and wrong
but thats a new level

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« Reply #18 on: November 13, 2017, 10:40:22 AM »
you;re now comparing apartheid to nazi's?
we all agree apartheid was bad and wrong
but thats a new level
It is the symbolism of each which does not change whether or not those who view it understand the meaning of the symbolism. That does not mean they symbolize the same thing. Not sure how you saw that in what he wrote.
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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #19 on: November 13, 2017, 10:43:17 AM »
It is the symbolism of each which does not change whether or not those who view it understand the meaning of the symbolism. That does not mean they symbolize the same thing. Not sure how you saw that in what he wrote.
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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #20 on: November 13, 2017, 10:47:22 AM »
It is the symbolism of each which does not change whether or not those who view it understand the meaning of the symbolism. That does not mean they symbolize the same thing. Not sure how you saw that in what he wrote.
The Flag of the Boer Republic doesn;t represent white supremacy, not withstanding of what the AWB and other fringe groups believed 
read James Michener's Covenant to have a better understanding of what the Afrikaner's believed
i'll take it a step further
Is the Israeli flag racist?
 (BDS animals think it is)


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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #21 on: November 13, 2017, 10:57:22 AM »
The Flag of the Boer Republic doesn;t represent white supremacy, not withstanding of what the AWB and other fringe groups believed 
read James Michener's Covenant to have a better understanding of what the Afrikaner's believed
i'll take it a step further
Is the Israeli flag racist?
 (BDS animals think it is)
Apartheid was the rule of the land, nothing fringe about it. The flag represents that.
If the State of Israel is an Apartheid state, which BDS supporters believe it is, then yes, it is a racist flag. It's not, so the flag is not either. 
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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #22 on: November 13, 2017, 10:59:17 AM »
 
Apartheid was the rule of the land, nothing fringe about it. The flag represents that.
If the State of Israel is an Apartheid state, which BDS supporters believe it is, then yes, it is a racist flag. It's not, so the flag is not either.
I hear  :-\

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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #23 on: November 13, 2017, 11:01:59 AM »
The Flag of the Boer Republic doesn;t represent white supremacy, not withstanding of what the AWB and other fringe groups believed 
read James Michener's Covenant to have a better understanding of what the Afrikaner's believed
i'll take it a step further
Is the Israeli flag racist?
 (BDS animals think it is)


Then make that argument why @Yehuda57 is wrong about this.
Please. It's racist everywhere and was racist from the second they changed the flag.
That neighbors did not realize doesn't make it less racist.
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« Reply #24 on: November 13, 2017, 11:17:49 AM »
Then make that argument why @Yehuda57 is wrong about this. That neighbors did not realize doesn't make it less racist.
I dont necessarily disagree with him
I disagree with "That neighbors did not realize doesn't make it less racist."
If i dont mean it to be racist, (which cant be said for the nazi flag) and they dont know it to be racist then how is it racist? except that now the Boer flag has been made in to an inherent symbol of racism. (and the fact that now everyone (at least the left) is looking to be outraged at at every nonsense)
Cubans fly Cuban flags, Venezuelans fly their flag....... their countries are far worse than RSA

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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #25 on: November 13, 2017, 11:24:02 AM »
I don't know how old @Dawie was or @Yehuda57 was when the flag was changed. However, is it possible that the difference in attitudes stems from living in the RSA pre 1994 vs just learning about it as part of (recent) history (which one might have even lived through as a toddler)?

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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #26 on: November 13, 2017, 11:34:36 AM »
I dont necessarily disagree with him
I disagree with "That neighbors did not realize doesn't make it less racist."
If i dont mean it to be racist, (which cant be said for the nazi flag) and they dont know it to be racist then how is it racist? except that now the Boer flag has been made in to an inherent symbol of racism. (and the fact that now everyone (at least the left) is looking to be outraged at at every nonsense)
Cubans fly Cuban flags, Venezuelans fly their flag....... their countries are far worse than RSA

The big difference is that ti is no longer the country's flag. It would be more akin to a russian flying the Soviet flag.
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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #27 on: November 13, 2017, 11:36:56 AM »
Apartheid was the rule of the land, nothing fringe about it. The flag represents that.
If the State of Israel is an Apartheid state, which BDS supporters believe it is, then yes, it is a racist flag. It's not, so the flag is not either.
Was אאע״ה racist?

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« Reply #28 on: November 13, 2017, 11:43:18 AM »
You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used to start a religious discussion.

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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #29 on: November 13, 2017, 11:45:43 AM »
I don't know how old @Dawie was or @Yehuda57 was when the flag was changed. However, is it possible that the difference in attitudes stems from living in the RSA pre 1994 vs just learning about it as part of (recent) history (which one might have even lived through as a toddler)?
who would be the older one? ;)