Author Topic: The Brothers Who Bought South Africa (Interesting Article Split)  (Read 650 times)

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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #45 on: November 13, 2017, 12:38:50 PM »
So now I think I understand whatthe two of you are saying. You are saying that, while it is racist, it is not as bad as it has now been made to be. @Yehuda57 is saying that who cares, the fact is that it is racist even without this added portion.

More - it *is* as bad as it is now made out to be, and even if not. There is literally no other reason to wave that flag. I've never, ever, heard anyone argue to have the old flag unless they wanted Apartheid back with it. Even when people waved it at rugby games, they were pretty clear that they wanted Apartheid back, they didn't even pretend to make excuses.

Apartheid = White Supremacy as the rule of the land. Dylan Roof didn't corrupt anything, he used the flag in its proper context.
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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #46 on: November 13, 2017, 12:50:19 PM »
@mods, can we break off this discussion into a new thread called yehuda57 is a racist

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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #47 on: November 13, 2017, 12:51:05 PM »
@mods, can we break off this discussion into a new thread called yehuda57 is a racist
That would be an interesting article.
You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used to start a religious discussion.

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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #48 on: November 13, 2017, 01:22:46 PM »
@mods, can we break off this discussion into a new thread called yehuda57 is a racist

Discriminatory taste does not a racist make.
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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #49 on: November 13, 2017, 04:28:23 PM »
More - it *is* as bad as it is now made out to be, and even if not. There is literally no other reason to wave that flag. I've never, ever, heard anyone argue to have the old flag unless they wanted Apartheid back with it. Even when people waved it at rugby games, they were pretty clear that they wanted Apartheid back, they didn't even pretend to make excuses.

Apartheid = White Supremacy as the rule of the land. Dylan Roof didn't corrupt anything, he used the flag in its proper context.
Is it possible that (at least some of) the people waving are simply longing for the time when South Africa didn't have such rampant crime. When people didn't have to live behind electric fences. When two Indian brothers couldn't just buy the country?

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Re: The Brothers Who Bought South Africa (Interesting Article Split)
« Reply #50 on: November 13, 2017, 04:30:52 PM »
Is it possible that (at least some of) the people waving are simply longing for the time when South Africa didn't have such rampant crime. When people didn't have to live behind electric fences. When two Indian brothers couldn't just buy the country?
No.
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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #51 on: November 13, 2017, 06:05:51 PM »
@mods, can we break off this discussion into a new thread called yehuda57 is a racist

I'm sorry, @Yehuda57, I don't think you're a racist but @henche's comment was too good.

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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #52 on: November 13, 2017, 06:06:51 PM »
Is it possible that (at least some of) the people waving are simply longing for the time when South Africa didn't have such rampant crime. When people didn't have to live behind electric fences. When two Indian brothers couldn't just buy the country?

I wish I was in the land of cotton, old times there are not forgotten.

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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #53 on: November 13, 2017, 06:18:52 PM »
How about refusing a shidduch due to race?
depends on the reason
What does that mean?

The reason is the race!

Obviously אאע"ה trusted Eliezer and a lot more (דולה ומשקה מתורת רבו, etc. etc.) Yet when it came to the Shidduch it was refused solely on the grounds of race (as it is nowadays called).

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Re: The Brothers Who Bought South Africa (Interesting Article Split)
« Reply #54 on: November 13, 2017, 07:03:33 PM »
depends on the reason

What does that mean?

The reason is the race!

Obviously אאע"ה trusted Eliezer and a lot more (דולה ומשקה מתורת רבו, etc. etc.) Yet when it came to the Shidduch it was refused solely on the grounds of race (as it is nowadays called).
Midos
there is a great shiur by r' yosef veiner on last weeks parsha you should listen to
and he explains it as inherent Midos
Yes, Eliezer or Lavan/Besuel, he'd pick the latter every day of the week (except fridays on DDF)

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Re: The Brothers Who Bought South Africa (Interesting Article Split)
« Reply #55 on: November 13, 2017, 07:13:41 PM »
Midos
there is a great shiur by r' yosef veiner on last weeks parsha you should listen to
and he explains it as inherent Midos
Yes, Eliezer or Lavan/Besuel, he'd pick the latter every day of the week (except fridays on DDF)
Link?

Though the pshat in Rashi seems to focus on race rather than Middos.
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Re: The Brothers Who Bought South Africa (Interesting Article Split)
« Reply #57 on: November 13, 2017, 07:25:17 PM »
its one of these 11  ;D
http://www.kolhalashon.com/New/Shiurim.aspx?Lang=English&Path=English|ETnc|R7024-1|PrevLessons|Hayey-Sara&English=True

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Re: The Brothers Who Bought South Africa (Interesting Article Split)
« Reply #59 on: November 13, 2017, 07:26:47 PM »
Any of these:
http://www.kolhalashon.com/New/Shiurim.aspx?Lang=English&Path=English|ETnc|R7024-1|PrevLessons|Hayey-Sara&English=True
yes, not sure which one though
but they are in order so its probably like the 4th or fifth