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Re: Do we really need the US to recognize Jerusalem as the capital?
« Reply #75 on: December 06, 2017, 09:34:13 PM »
The condemnation from the whole Arab world isn't proof it was a matter to be decided?
That they’re bias would be understatement of the century

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Re: Do we really need the US to recognize Jerusalem as the capital?
« Reply #76 on: December 06, 2017, 09:37:18 PM »
The condemnation from the whole Arab world isn't proof it was a matter to be decided?

They have and would condemn *anything* that could be even remotely construed as pro Israel.

And what do you mean by "be decided"? What is to be decided? The exact borders of Jerusalem? Or that Jerusalem is the capital?

Even according to the most ardent Two State Solutionist, Israel would maintain control of West Jerusalem. Israel decides where its own capital is, not any other country. Obviously, if the Arab world is protesting a sovereign nation calling a city within its legal and just borders its capital, their protest is against the very sovereignty of the nation, not the details of said country's zoning and city ordinances.

There is nothing to be decided. Trump merely signed off on an objective truth that has been stated by every politician in recent US history.
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Re: Do we really need the US to recognize Jerusalem as the capital?
« Reply #77 on: December 06, 2017, 09:47:32 PM »
WH officials are saying the stunt (my word) will derail the peace process. They are hoping it is only temporary. I would post a link but all I will get is #fakenews.
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Re: Do we really need the US to recognize Jerusalem as the capital?
« Reply #78 on: December 06, 2017, 09:49:38 PM »
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Re: Do we really need the US to recognize Jerusalem as the capital?
« Reply #79 on: December 06, 2017, 09:50:24 PM »
WH officials are saying the stunt (my word) will derail the peace process. They are hoping it is only temporary. I would post a link but all I will get is #fakenews.

Stunting what exactly? There haven't been talks in years.

How about, instead of posting links, refute the claims being made here in your own words.
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Re: Do we really need the US to recognize Jerusalem as the capital?
« Reply #80 on: December 06, 2017, 09:52:04 PM »
WH officials are saying the stunt (my word) will derail the peace process. They are hoping it is only temporary. I would post a link but all I will get is #fakenews.
It won’t derail anything. Abbas knows he better listen as he doesn’t have a willing accomplice in the WH anymore.

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Re: Do we really need the US to recognize Jerusalem as the capital?
« Reply #81 on: December 06, 2017, 09:55:08 PM »
How about, instead of posting links, refute the claims being made here in your own words.
You want links to major individuals saying peace talks are off because of this?
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Re: Do we really need the US to recognize Jerusalem as the capital?
« Reply #82 on: December 06, 2017, 09:56:18 PM »
Not that. What are the pros? Where is the gain from this?

That Jerusalem is Israel's capital is an objective fact. What is the reason not to state this fact? Fear of violence. That is terrorism. Using violence to terrorize people for political gain.

If you want to stand against terror, you need to stand against all terror. If terror works for Jerusalem as capital, it works for anything and everything too. Rule #1: You don't negotiate with or give in to terrorists. It just perpetuates the cycle.

What Trump did today (knowingly or unknowingly) is stand up to Arab terror in a major way.
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Re: Do we really need the US to recognize Jerusalem as the capital?
« Reply #83 on: December 06, 2017, 09:56:47 PM »
You want links to major individuals saying peace talks are off because of this?
Why don’t we wait it out and see

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Re: Do we really need the US to recognize Jerusalem as the capital?
« Reply #84 on: December 06, 2017, 10:00:36 PM »
You want links to major individuals saying peace talks are off because of this?

1) I said refute the claims made here in your own words, without links. For every link you share, I can link to an opposing piece. Link warfare is not the answer.
2) I'll say it again, peace talks cannot be "off" if they were never on. There have not been talks for years already.
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Re: Do we really need the US to recognize Jerusalem as the capital?
« Reply #85 on: December 06, 2017, 10:02:17 PM »
The meetings will continue, CM. Have no fear

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Re: Do we really need the US to recognize Jerusalem as the capital?
« Reply #86 on: December 06, 2017, 10:03:07 PM »
1) I said refute the claims made here in your own words, without links. For every link you share, I can link to an opposing piece. Link warfare is not the answer.
2) I'll say it again, peace talks cannot be "off" if they were never on. There have not been talks for years already.
What claim you want me to back up.
WH claims peace talks are going on.
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Re: Do we really need the US to recognize Jerusalem as the capital?
« Reply #87 on: December 06, 2017, 10:04:01 PM »
WH claims peace talks are going on.
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Re: Do we really need the US to recognize Jerusalem as the capital?
« Reply #88 on: December 06, 2017, 10:05:19 PM »
What claim you want me to back up.
WH claims peace talks are going on.
Let's start with this:

And what do you mean by "be decided"? What is to be decided? The exact borders of Jerusalem? Or that Jerusalem is the capital?

Even according to the most ardent Two State Solutionist, Israel would maintain control of West Jerusalem. Israel decides where its own capital is, not any other country. Obviously, if the Arab world is protesting a sovereign nation calling a city within its legal and just borders its capital, their protest is against the very sovereignty of the nation, not the details of said country's zoning and city ordinances.

There is nothing to be decided. Trump merely signed off on an objective truth that has been stated by every politician in recent US history.
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Re: Do we really need the US to recognize Jerusalem as the capital?
« Reply #89 on: December 06, 2017, 10:07:17 PM »
Let's start with this:
The other side feels all that is in play and needs to be decided. Are you asking me to find links them basically saying that?
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