Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?

[mmgfarb]

Wait, you read your messages?

Everyone, Dan reads his messages!!

He never said he doesn't read them, just that he doesn't respond to them.

[12HRS]

Umm it doesn't translate as that. What's the source that it means that?

Getting closer. Anyone with an actual source?

i dont know the gemara off hand but thats definitely the way the gemara uses it

Look at Rashi in Gittin 12A regarding a woman in an Ir Miklat

Clearly the issue is leaving the house

Maybe this is the underlying reason

גמרא פסחים ג,א שבאשה קראו מושב כיון שאין דרכה ברכיבה, ופירש”י שאין דרכה של אשה ברכיבה, וברבינו חננאל כתב שהוא דרך גנאי לאשה.

Riding an animal is way more out there then driving a car

[Freddie]

Reminds me of a vertel, why did Rivka fall off the camel when she saw Yitzchak?

Because up until then, tefillas mincha didn't exist yet. She saw Yitzchak going out in the afternoon and start davening, and thought he was davening a very late shacharis. She was so shocked that she fell off her camel!

weird vort. you just make that up now?

[stbaum]

I don’t know why driving isn’t allowed but I think that’s why I enjoy it so much. I especially love driving in KJ. Although I gotta say, the world is preggressing and I can see women driving in kJ in 10-20 years. When my mother got married (~30 years ago) no one in KJ wore an uncovered wig. Now it’s very mainstream. It’s still ‘less frum’ but the school won’t turn you away for it.

[Freddie]

I don’t know why driving isn’t allowed but I think that’s why I enjoy it so much. I especially love driving in KJ. Although I gotta say, the world is preggressing and I can see women driving in kJ in 10-20 years. When my mother got married (~30 years ago) no one in KJ wore an uncovered wig. Now it’s very mainstream. It’s still ‘less frum’ but the school won’t turn you away for it.

progress will be when women in kj all learn chasidus.

[shlonx]

weird vort. you just make that up now?

No, heard it 3 years ago on Parshas Chayei Sarah.

There is a difference between a vort and a vertel.

[Yammer]

I don’t know why driving isn’t allowed but I think that’s why I enjoy it so much. I especially love driving in KJ. Although I gotta say, the world is preggressing and I can see women driving in kJ in 10-20 years. When my mother got married (~30 years ago) no one in KJ wore an uncovered wig. Now it’s very mainstream. It’s still ‘less frum’ but the school won’t turn you away for it.

Reminds me of a chassidishe working boy that posts on his status every single night 5+ videos of him driving...

[ExGingi]

I've been wondering for a while: does this popcorn also have a heimishe Hechsher, or is it only OU?

If it's only OU, which kulos and heterim are they relying upon, and was the heter actually reviewed by a competent Rav, or is it just PR?

Bottom line, if one wants to be machmir and avoid OU, can this popcorn be consumed?

[yhaller14]

The Rambam himself would not write this about these times, sorry. And for all those who are ready to jump at me, and say Halacha doesn't change, situations do change, and in our times, having women out in the street is meaningless.

I'm just curious, do u know what those times were like?? Who are you to say that?! And y was the תורה given in the מדבר to teach you that it doesn't change.......

[ExGingi]

Our schools have some of the most control in all of our communities. Where we can go, what we can do, what we can wear, etc etc.

Indeed.

FWIW, some actually choose not to use this power. Several years ago I approached heads of several schools in my community, begging them to take a stand. None of them would.

[sky121]

I strongly disagree. In short,
How can something be a value if it's not a value for Hashem?

I mean in specific things you do and say.
Like how some communities have their women driving and some don't.
What is the values you are believing in?

And why can't these specifics change?
Once upon a time women didn't learn Torah either... and now you have schools across the world in every Jewish community with girls learning.
Do you see this example the same way? Something that ideally would be better if didn't exist...? Are all the things that HAVE changed us downgrading our values?

[good sam]

  The value of a woman being inside the house is stated in the rambam I quoted earlier. Like I said before I’m not saying that the rambam would apply to our society but the question was if this concept exists. It does..

Curious. Are you married? If yes, how long?

[aygart]

I've been wondering for a while: does this popcorn also have a heimishe Hechsher, or is it only OU?

If it's only OU, which kulos and heterim are they relying upon, and was the heter actually reviewed by a competent Rav, or is it just PR?

Bottom line, if one wants to be machmir and avoid OU, can this popcorn be consumed?

You have it all wrong. This popcorn has ONLY a heimishe hechsher. The OU wouldn't go near it! Probably from this guy.

I once was going to a bar mitzvah at a hall which had recently switched from an establishment hechsher to a private one b given by someone I know to be a talmid chochom and yirei shomayim. Informally he was also blissfully ignorant and told me about the place "what can be a problem". I spoke to someone from the original hechsher whom knew the situation and told me that there were constant issues at this place and they told them some improvements which would be needed to avoid them. The owner chose not to implement these and switched to this new hechsher. I only ate the challah.

[Joe4007]

When my mother got married (~30 years ago) no one in KJ wore an uncovered wig. Now it’s very mainstream. It’s still ‘less frum’ but the school won’t turn you away for it.

Not exactly accurate, but I get your drift.

ETA: Actually, as I think about it I find the opposite to be true. I know plenty of people who cover their shaitels while their mother's go uncovered.

[Joe4007]

I think this issue is going to be up for a referendum in the not too distant future when autonomous vehicles start taking over.

[aygart]

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/i-am-a-hijabi-feminist_us_593c78b4e4b014ae8c69e11d

[ExGingi]

You have it all wrong. This popcorn has ONLY a heimishe hechsher. The OU wouldn't go near it! Probably from this guy.

I think we need this settled once and for all by the OU expert @cbc and the manufacturer of the popcorn seeds @AJK.

[shwarmabob]

In the ultimate world of tzinus woman should not leave their home unless they must. Obviously that’s too hard to enforce such rules in any community so they made a black and white rule no driving.
 I’m not saying that I agree to this and I deff don’t practice it but it makes sense.

In the ultimate world of tzinus men should not leave their home either unless they must.

[aygart]

In the ultimate world of tzinus men should not leave their home either unless they must.

Source?

[Dan]

I think this issue is going to be up for a referendum in the not too distant future when autonomous vehicles start taking over.

Going to be a long time until they're fully autonomous with no license required.