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Re: Elal doesn't fly on Shabbos?
« Reply #15 on: January 07, 2018, 12:49:53 PM »
El Al is bichlal not Shomer Shabbos. They're offices are open 24/7. They just "officially" don't fly on Shabbos which is true more than 99% of the time. But there can be exceptions....
Exactly.

See also, https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/el-al-matmid/707558-if-elal-don-t-fly-shabbat-then-how-come-3.html
and https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/business/el-al-may-not-break-shabbat-but-its-pilots-and-planes-do.premium-1.513202

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Re: Elal doesn't fly on Shabbos?
« Reply #16 on: January 07, 2018, 01:18:31 PM »
Exactly.

See also, https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/el-al-matmid/707558-if-elal-don-t-fly-shabbat-then-how-come-3.html
and https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/business/el-al-may-not-break-shabbat-but-its-pilots-and-planes-do.premium-1.513202
They do have regularly scheduled flights which board on Shabbos, especially in the summer. But officially they don't FLY on Shabbos - when they think nobody is looking.
Look for example ZRH-TLV. Shabbos is over in the summer around 10:30 in ZRH.
TLV-CDG Shabbos is over around 8:30 in TLV in the summer.

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Re: Elal doesn't fly on Shabbos?
« Reply #17 on: January 07, 2018, 01:36:19 PM »
Last year my father had a motzai shabbos flight with elal and the pushed the take off time a little earlier leaving no nine to make it to EWR on time for the flight so he called them and complained about them officially not flying on shabbos and now he can’t even make it to the airport on time and they switch his flight for free to the Thursday before

My point is they officially don’t take off on shabbos but all the preparation does happen on shabbos
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Re: Elal doesn't fly on Shabbos?
« Reply #18 on: January 07, 2018, 01:40:16 PM »
Their point is that they don't have flights scheduled for Shabbos or first day Yomtov.

That doesn't make them Shomer Shabbos, but at least there's not the chillul hashem of scheduling flights by a Jewish owned airline for Shabbos.

agav Eged bus service in Israel also officially doesn’t have service on shabbos they just end shabbos early at 4pm (all year round)
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Re: Elal doesn't fly on Shabbos?
« Reply #19 on: January 07, 2018, 01:48:54 PM »
Last year my father had a motzai shabbos flight with elal and the pushed the take off time a little earlier leaving no nine to make it to EWR on time for the flight so he called them and complained about them officially not flying on shabbos and now he can’t even make it to the airport on time and they switch his flight for free to the Thursday before

My point is they officially don’t take off on shabbos but all the preparation does happen on shabbos
We've discussed this before on DDF (leave it to @TimT to come up with the מראי מקומות), but taking a Motzoei Shabbos flight with ELAL other than in the winter, is a question for your LOR.
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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Re: Elal doesn't fly on Shabbos?
« Reply #20 on: January 07, 2018, 01:53:20 PM »
We've discussed this before on DDF (leave it to @TimT to come up with the מראי מקומות), but taking a Motzoei Shabbos flight with ELAL other than in the winter, is a question for your LOR.
Why is it a question? What is the question?
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Re: Elal doesn't fly on Shabbos?
« Reply #21 on: January 07, 2018, 02:00:10 PM »
also dont they have a flight to london city on shabbos ??

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Re: Elal doesn't fly on Shabbos?
« Reply #22 on: January 07, 2018, 02:02:06 PM »
Why is it a question? What is the question?
Whether one is allowed to fly on ELAL on Motzoei Shabbos when flight is only a few hours after Shabbos is over, as it definitely requires chilul shabbos.
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Re: Elal doesn't fly on Shabbos?
« Reply #23 on: January 07, 2018, 02:16:07 PM »
Whether one is allowed to fly on ELAL on Motzoei Shabbos when flight is only a few hours after Shabbos is over, as it definitely requires chilul shabbos.
To clarify, it causes others to be mechalel Shabbos potentially for you.

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Re: Elal doesn't fly on Shabbos?
« Reply #24 on: January 07, 2018, 03:06:33 PM »
To clarify, it causes others to be mechalel Shabbos potentially for you.
But they’re doing it regardless of you....
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Re: Elal doesn't fly on Shabbos?
« Reply #25 on: January 07, 2018, 03:11:39 PM »
But they’re doing it regardless of you....
You have now entered stage 1 of the whole question. It's not as simple as it seems.

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Re: Elal doesn't fly on Shabbos?
« Reply #26 on: January 07, 2018, 03:13:05 PM »
But they’re doing it regardless of you....
You mean like when the person going over the manifest clicks on your name to see that everything is in order they'd do that regardless of you flying?

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Re: Elal doesn't fly on Shabbos?
« Reply #27 on: January 07, 2018, 03:14:49 PM »
You mean like when the person going over the manifest clicks on your name to see that everything is in order they'd do that regardless of you flying?
My name or a different name he’s doing it regardless
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Re: Elal doesn't fly on Shabbos?
« Reply #28 on: January 07, 2018, 03:17:06 PM »
But they’re doing it regardless of you....
so what? There is an איסור הנאה of a מלאכה done by a Jew on shabbos במזיד. Especially when his intention is to make money from it. Same as electricity on shabbos in Israel, where the only heter is that they also work for פיקוח נפש. Sorry if I went off topic...

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Re: Elal doesn't fly on Shabbos?
« Reply #29 on: January 07, 2018, 03:25:58 PM »
My name or a different name he’s doing it regardless
How do you figure, without you there is 255 pax -255 names to check. With you it's 256 that's an extra click.