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Re: Why is our divorce rate rising drastically?
« Reply #60 on: January 11, 2018, 03:11:02 PM »
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Re: Why is our divorce rate rising drastically?
« Reply #61 on: January 11, 2018, 03:17:39 PM »
Maybe they should check out this
https://theshmuz.com/marriage-seminar/
Our parents and grandparents didn't have that information either.

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Re: Why is our divorce rate rising drastically?
« Reply #62 on: January 11, 2018, 03:23:01 PM »
Very loaded topics in JS these days....

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Re: Why is our divorce rate rising drastically?
« Reply #63 on: January 11, 2018, 03:30:05 PM »
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And how much worse would it have been if the parents had stayed married?
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Re: Why is our divorce rate rising drastically?
« Reply #64 on: January 11, 2018, 03:33:31 PM »
Not necessarily, it may be way better off for the kids to grow up with two loving, albeit separated, parents, than to grow up in a house where the parents hate each other.
True. That's why I wrote that it "may" be better. פעמים כן פעמים לא
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Re: Why is our divorce rate rising drastically?
« Reply #65 on: January 11, 2018, 03:35:18 PM »
True. That's why I wrote that it "may" be better. פעמים כן פעמים לא
That's why I said "may" it obviously depends on the parents.
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Re: Why is our divorce rate rising drastically?
« Reply #66 on: January 11, 2018, 03:37:28 PM »
If you internalize it to the point where you don't feel like you have a "choice" but to live a certain way then yes, to some extent...
so if someone feels like eating kosher is the only way of life for himself and would never entertain not eating kosher that's a result of brainwashing as opposed to education? How about smoking?

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Re: Why is our divorce rate rising drastically?
« Reply #67 on: January 11, 2018, 03:40:13 PM »
And how much worse would it have been if the parents had stayed married?
If you can find one ask them.

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Re: Why is our divorce rate rising drastically?
« Reply #68 on: January 11, 2018, 03:40:20 PM »
so if someone feels like eating kosher is the only way of life for himself and would never entertain not eating kosher that's a result of brainwashing as opposed to education? How about smoking?

Its not brainwashing. Its Determinism.

Determinism is the philosophical theory that all events, including moral choices, are completely determined by previously existing causes. Determinism is usually understood to preclude free will because it entails that humans cannot act otherwise than they do. The theory holds that the universe is utterly rational because complete knowledge of any given situation assures that unerring knowledge of its future is also possible.
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Re: Why is our divorce rate rising drastically?
« Reply #69 on: January 11, 2018, 03:41:30 PM »

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Re: Why is our divorce rate rising drastically?
« Reply #70 on: January 11, 2018, 03:45:00 PM »
Its not brainwashing. Its Determinism.

Determinism is the philosophical theory that all events, including moral choices, are completely determined by previously existing causes. Determinism is usually understood to preclude free will because it entails that humans cannot act otherwise than they do. The theory holds that the universe is utterly rational because complete knowledge of any given situation assures that unerring knowledge of its future is also possible.
I think many would argue that what you just called brainwashing is in fact determinism.

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Re: Why is our divorce rate rising drastically?
« Reply #71 on: January 11, 2018, 03:45:55 PM »
95% of the divorces in "the community" are not abusive situations.
Unfortunately they would be a very hard figure to come up with.
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Re: Why is our divorce rate rising drastically?
« Reply #72 on: January 11, 2018, 03:47:13 PM »
Care to explain...?
I don't think you really want me to.
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Re: Why is our divorce rate rising drastically?
« Reply #73 on: January 11, 2018, 03:49:58 PM »
so if someone feels like eating kosher is the only way of life for himself and would never entertain not eating kosher that's a result of brainwashing as opposed to education? How about smoking?
So this back and forth started with women shaving their heads and CM/Dan referring to this as forced and I agreed with that. As Dan mentioned, if a school won't accept your kids unless you do x, that is basically forcing them to do X. Likewise, if you will ostracize someone for not doing something from the community, you are forcing them to live a certain lifestyle.
I'm not talking about someone shaving their head because it's what they want to do for themselves. Or eat kosher or smoke. In that case they are making a lifestyle choice without considering the opinions of others.
I'm saying there are societal influences you can't ignore. Once other people's opinions affect your choices, you aren't operating at 100% free will.
Maybe brainwash is the wrong word.
If we label and ostracize people who don't act a certain way, we are collectively influencing them to act how we want.

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Re: Why is our divorce rate rising drastically?
« Reply #74 on: January 11, 2018, 03:55:49 PM »
BTW I only used the term brainwashing in reference to scientologists who believe they are in the hole voluntarily. Not to include anyone who ever makes any decision with outside influence ever.