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1) The Holocaust happened because Jews were unable to obtain guns due to Poland's notoriously strict gun laws.
2) The left wants an absolute gun ban - no guns at all, any type, for anyone, ever.
3) The right wants mass shootings, especially school shootings.
4) Everyone agrees we need to require better background checks and use more discretion in handing out gun licenses.
4.a The right cannot pass such legislation because it is a slippery slope to banning all guns, everywhere, for everyone.
4.b The left cannot pass such legislation because it is not enough.
5)  Every school in the US should have metal detectors at the entrance, be surrounded by a 30' cement wall and have armed guards in every classroom and hallway. The more guns around kids the better.
6) 7 year olds going through half an hour of security theater every day just to go to school is a perfectly normal and acceptable solution.
7) The second amendment entitles every US citizen to an AR-15.
8 ) Laws don't prevent crimes.
9) Guns don't kill people
10) Stats prove my side of the argument 100% correct. (D)
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Author Topic: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)  (Read 203546 times)

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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1360 on: April 26, 2018, 04:41:18 PM »
It seems the actual CDC numbers are not available on their website.
That's because there are no actual numbers for what this guy claims. That are treating the CDC data like poll data. We surveyed so many so that means X. That is not real numbers.
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1361 on: April 26, 2018, 05:42:19 PM »
That's because there are no actual numbers for what this guy claims. That are treating the CDC data like poll data. We surveyed so many so that means X. That is not real numbers.
What is wrong with that?
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1362 on: April 26, 2018, 05:53:01 PM »
What is wrong with that?
Because it is not CDC numbers. It is his own numbers based on his bias.
Classic example. Chicago had 6 murders in January. Multiply that by 12 and that gives you 72 for the year. That would be pure BS. Give me the raw numbers for the year.
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1363 on: April 26, 2018, 06:33:54 PM »
Because it is not CDC numbers. It is his own numbers based on his bias.
Classic example. Chicago had 6 murders in January. Multiply that by 12 and that gives you 72 for the year. That would be pure BS. Give me the raw numbers for the year.
The CDC numbers are a survey. He had also cone his own studies which correlate to the numbers he extrapolated from the CDC. If the CDC does not have more than a survey then the only thing to do is extrapolate from the survey. The only way to no about DUG is through a survey anyhow.
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1364 on: April 26, 2018, 06:50:14 PM »
The CDC numbers are a survey. He had also cone his own studies which correlate to the numbers he extrapolated from the CDC. If the CDC does not have more than a survey then the only thing to do is extrapolate from the survey. The only way to no about DUG is through a survey anyhow.
That's the whole issue. It is just a survey that he extrapolated on. If you want to agree with his extrapolation that is fine. To me it is meaningless. Some are trying to pawn it off as the CDC is saying this and that. That is 100% false. CDC gives out hard numbers on a whole list of things. This is not hard numbers so it is meaningless.

Here is one of his claims: His study, which has been harshly disputed in pro-gun-control quarters, indicated that there were more than 2.2 million such defensive uses of guns (DGUs) in America a year.
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1365 on: April 26, 2018, 07:13:04 PM »
That's the whole issue. It is just a survey that he extrapolated on. If you want to agree with his extrapolation that is fine. To me it is meaningless. Some are trying to pawn it off as the CDC is saying this and that. That is 100% false. CDC gives out hard numbers on a whole list of things. This is not hard numbers so it is meaningless.

Here is one of his claims: His study, which has been harshly disputed in pro-gun-control quarters, indicated that there were more than 2.2 million such defensive uses of guns (DGUs) in America a year.
You are making it impossible to back it up. If you don't like using extrapolation for something that can only be known by extrapolation them the most you can say is that there is no way of knowing and not that it is untrue.
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1366 on: April 26, 2018, 07:16:26 PM »
You are making it impossible to back it up. If you don't like using extrapolation for something that can only be known by extrapolation them the most you can say is that there is no way of knowing and not that it is untrue.
Backing something up with slanted figures does not cut it. Also this is useless for another reason. Defensive gun uses has no correlation to amount of lives saved.

I appreciate you once again defending members that can't defend themselves!  ::)
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1367 on: April 26, 2018, 07:28:39 PM »


Also this is useless for another reason. Defensive gun uses has no correlation to amount of lives saved.

I appreciate you once again defending members that can't defend themselves!  ::)
That is a good point

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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1368 on: April 26, 2018, 07:49:50 PM »
Defender of the bullied.
I am told to grow some balls but I am the bully? ROFLMAO!!!
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1369 on: April 26, 2018, 08:00:58 PM »
I am told to grow some balls but I am the bully? ROFLMAO!!!
Mission accomplished
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1370 on: April 26, 2018, 08:03:45 PM »
Mission accomplished
Now let these boys come out of the basement and defend themselves!  :P
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1371 on: April 27, 2018, 01:06:33 PM »
I am told to grow some balls but I am the bully? ROFLMAO!!!
No, you're The Huff (a failed bully, who insists on double standards).

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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1372 on: April 27, 2018, 01:10:29 PM »
That is a good point

Defender of the bullied.
The wild assertion that there is "no correlation" is a "good point"?

Please, of course it isn't one-to-one, but if you're looking at those articles (that you linked to), look closer at the actual survey questions that Kleck asked.

The correlation has been studied.

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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1373 on: April 27, 2018, 01:27:00 PM »
No, you're The Huff (a failed bully, who insists on double standards).
The wild assertion that there is "no correlation" is a "good point"?

Please, of course it isn't one-to-one, but if you're looking at those articles (that you linked to), look closer at the actual survey questions that Kleck asked.

The correlation has been studied.
The one with the idiotic claim is back.  ::)
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1374 on: April 27, 2018, 02:04:16 PM »




I think you'll find, Huff, that despite your huffing and puffing, no-one on this thread thinks my claim is idiotic anymore.

I would venture to say, that most now accept it as fact, or as very well substantiated, or in the very worst case, a logical claim that could very well be true.

Puff on that!

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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1375 on: April 27, 2018, 02:05:40 PM »

I think you'll find, Huff, that despite your huffing and puffing, no-one on this thread thinks my claim is idiotic anymore.

I would venture to say, that most now accept it as fact, or as very well substantiated, or in the very worst case, a logical claim that could very well be true.

Puff on that!
The one with the idiotic claim is back.  ::)
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1377 on: April 27, 2018, 02:14:34 PM »
Why are you scared of him?
ROFLMAO!!!
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1378 on: April 27, 2018, 02:16:30 PM »
Why are you scared of him?
Did you beat your wife today?  ;)
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1379 on: April 27, 2018, 02:43:12 PM »
Did you beat your wife today?  ;)
@aygart you didn't like that question? Ok, let me rephrase it. When did you stop beating your wife?  :)
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