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1) The Holocaust happened because Jews were unable to obtain guns due to Poland's notoriously strict gun laws.
2) The left wants an absolute gun ban - no guns at all, any type, for anyone, ever.
3) The right wants mass shootings, especially school shootings.
4) Everyone agrees we need to require better background checks and use more discretion in handing out gun licenses.
4.a The right cannot pass such legislation because it is a slippery slope to banning all guns, everywhere, for everyone.
4.b The left cannot pass such legislation because it is not enough.
5)  Every school in the US should have metal detectors at the entrance, be surrounded by a 30' cement wall and have armed guards in every classroom and hallway. The more guns around kids the better.
6) 7 year olds going through half an hour of security theater every day just to go to school is a perfectly normal and acceptable solution.
7) The second amendment entitles every US citizen to an AR-15.
8 ) Laws don't prevent crimes.
9) Guns don't kill people
10) Stats prove my side of the argument 100% correct. (D)
11) Stats prove my side of the argument 100% correct  (R)

Author Topic: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)  (Read 23439 times)

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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #30 on: February 14, 2018, 05:39:08 PM »
Banning semi automatics would be a nice start
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #31 on: February 14, 2018, 05:40:15 PM »
Is that a joke ???
I will bet he is 100% serious.
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #32 on: February 14, 2018, 05:46:50 PM »
I hear what you are saying. Most experts will tell you unless they are properly trained they will do more harm then good.

Source?

How about the other side of the issue? Less guns, banning HCM and stricter laws. What can we try there?

 The issue with that is, we forget that criminals don't listen to laws.

Apt buildings, schools, shuls, etc in Sao Paulo all have double gates with a guard that has to vet you to get past the 2nd gate. There is no back access point.


When you live in a place like that, you need insane security, and it's still not fool proof.
Mexico has the highest murder rate in the world (after syria) with the strictest gun laws.
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #33 on: February 14, 2018, 05:49:29 PM »
The issue with that is, we forget that criminals don't listen to laws.
This is why you are the problem and not the solution. You can't look at the other side.
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #34 on: February 14, 2018, 05:49:49 PM »
You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used to start a religious discussion.

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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #35 on: February 14, 2018, 05:53:27 PM »
You ever held a gun?
Yes, but not too many times. That doesn't show me that an untrained person with a gun will do more harm, we would need a study to prove that to be the case.

I'm not disagreeing, I'm just asking for the source.
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #36 on: February 14, 2018, 05:57:07 PM »
Yes, but not too many times. That doesn't show me that an untrained person with a gun will do more harm, we would need a study to prove that to be the case.

I'm not disagreeing, I'm just asking for the source.
Some things are a given and don't need a source. Just look at the gun threads and you will see why untrained people should not have guns. They look at it as a cool thing to have a carry permit.
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #37 on: February 14, 2018, 05:59:31 PM »
Some things are a given and don't need a source. Just look at the gun threads and you will see why untrained people should not have guns. They look at it as a cool thing to have a carry permit.
That doesn't mean that they're worse than not having a gun, when there's an active shooter. You made a claim supposedly quoting experts, and not you're saying it's common sense.
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #38 on: February 14, 2018, 06:02:10 PM »
Aren't you skipping over all the potential non-intentional injuries or deaths that would likely occur with all those guns in schools?

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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #39 on: February 14, 2018, 06:04:15 PM »
Aren't you skipping over all the potential non-intentional injuries or deaths that would likely occur with all those guns in schools?
Guns in the hands of responsible people, don't just kill and injure on their own. We don't seem to have an issue with this anywhere else, why would a school be worse?
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #40 on: February 14, 2018, 06:06:24 PM »
That doesn't mean that they're worse than not having a gun, when there's an active shooter. You made a claim supposedly quoting experts, and not you're saying it's common sense.
I am not going to do all your research for you. I know from personal experiences and training with some of the best.
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #41 on: February 14, 2018, 06:08:09 PM »
Guns in the hands of responsible people, don't just kill and injure on their own. We don't seem to have an issue with this anywhere else, why would a school be worse?
And how about the kid who now has more access to a gun by taking it from a potentially weak teacher?
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #42 on: February 14, 2018, 06:25:40 PM »
And how about the kid who now has more access to a gun by taking it from a potentially weak teacher?
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #43 on: February 14, 2018, 06:27:20 PM »
There's a cool trigger safety lock that they make,
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #44 on: February 14, 2018, 06:27:47 PM »
There's that word again.  >:(
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