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1) The Holocaust happened because Jews were unable to obtain guns due to Poland's notoriously strict gun laws.
2) The left wants an absolute gun ban - no guns at all, any type, for anyone, ever.
3) The right wants mass shootings, especially school shootings.
4) Everyone agrees we need to require better background checks and use more discretion in handing out gun licenses.
4.a The right cannot pass such legislation because it is a slippery slope to banning all guns, everywhere, for everyone.
4.b The left cannot pass such legislation because it is not enough.
5)  Every school in the US should have metal detectors at the entrance, be surrounded by a 30' cement wall and have armed guards in every classroom and hallway. The more guns around kids the better.
6) 7 year olds going through half an hour of security theater every day just to go to school is a perfectly normal and acceptable solution.
7) The second amendment entitles every US citizen to an AR-15.
8 ) Laws don't prevent crimes.
9) Guns don't kill people
10) Stats prove my side of the argument 100% correct. (D)
11) Stats prove my side of the argument 100% correct  (R)

Author Topic: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)  (Read 200112 times)

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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #780 on: February 21, 2018, 07:53:04 PM »
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Still have a question waiting.
Thats why they're better for home protection, they have more stopping power
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #781 on: February 21, 2018, 07:56:35 PM »
Thats why they're better for home protection, they have more stopping power
We are getting to home protection. Don't confuse stopping power, killing power and penetration.

So you agree they have penetrate more, great.

Now one last easy question. You agree homes have different rooms, doors, hallways, stairs, corners among other things?
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #782 on: February 21, 2018, 08:00:41 PM »
What age would you like to see, and are people under that age significantly more likely to commit mass shootings?
i believe its more than just the age . look at israel like @Dan posted there are a boat load of requirements even though the average israeli 19 year old went through more weapons training than his american counterpart. it has to do with common sense , which means that while it is a right to bear arms if you are not competent for whatever the reason you lose that right
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #783 on: February 21, 2018, 08:12:49 PM »
We are getting to home protection. Don't confuse stopping power, killing power and penetration.

So you agree they have penetrate more, great.

Now one last easy question. You agree homes have different rooms, doors, hallways, stairs, corners among other things?
Yes
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #784 on: February 21, 2018, 08:41:49 PM »
Great! I promise we are almost done.  :)
This you might not be able to answer. Would you agree an AR penetrates more than most handguns?

Depends what you're asking in terms of penetration and at which ranges.

Bodily penetration with clothing (light or heavy - per FBI testing standards), don't know; my assumption is AR over handgun, but I would double check the testing before making a statement either way.

If you meant over-penetration through common walls, all common calibers over-penetrate, but handguns win.

I've already posted this:

No. He states quite explicitly that overpenetration is an issue by all bullets, but certainly worse from pistols and shotguns.

"The fact of the matter is that many of these bullets will penetrate numerous walls, but standard 5.56 loadings are the least of your worries when compared to pistol and shotgun fodder, which continue to take top honors in the category of over-penetration."

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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #785 on: February 21, 2018, 09:07:30 PM »
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Still have a question waiting.

As do you.

You still haven't answered @avromie7's question:
The AR is not the issue, it's the dead and injured that's the issue. If he didn't have an AR and instead had a semi-automatic handgun, how many people who were killed, would still be alive?


Further, after your implied statement that AR's are easier to grab:
Great, we are making progress. Now would you agree it would be easier to grab a long rifle like an AR (by the barrel) over a handgun?

You were asked:

Arguendo, let's agree that it is.

Why would you want to cause more shootings to take place with handguns, which you've implied are harder to grab, than AR's?

Don't you care about saving lives?

Waiting on your answers.

(Side note: Don't waste your time trying to show the superiority of handguns for home defense.

Ignoring that your arguments are weak, you'll trap yourself either way.

A) If, arguendo, handguns are deadlier, why would you push mass shooters towards using them over AR's?

B) If, arguendo, AR's are better, why are you disarming law abiding citizens and restricting their tools for self-defense?)

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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #786 on: February 21, 2018, 09:19:06 PM »
As do you.

You still haven't answered @avromie7's question:


Huh?


My bad read it wrong. One or two would have died.

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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #787 on: February 21, 2018, 09:24:56 PM »
Huh?

Running to night seder, so click on the link below to see the complete text of a post of mine, where I explain at length.

I go for a late lunch at Bagel Nosh, glance at at DDF, and what do I see?, he's posting again.

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Let me answer for you, as you're clearly frightened of this question which cuts to the heart of your narrative.

There would be no discernable difference, as there are many SA handgun calibers that are just as lethal as common AR calibers at the typical distances of these mass shootings.

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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #788 on: February 21, 2018, 09:27:45 PM »
Running to night seder, so click on the link below to see the complete text of a post of mine, where I explain at length.
Now you are changing from he didn't answer it to that you have a reply to his answer? So then why are you saying that he did not answer?
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #789 on: February 21, 2018, 10:15:44 PM »
If you meant over-penetration through common walls, all common calibers over-penetrate, but handguns win.

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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #790 on: February 21, 2018, 10:28:58 PM »
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #791 on: February 21, 2018, 10:53:28 PM »
Now you are changing from he didn't answer it to that you have a reply to his answer? So then why are you saying that he did not answer?
No, I'm saying that despite typing a reply, he didn't answer the question, and that he avoided answering because the answer exposes a fatal flaw in his "common sense" proposals.

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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #794 on: February 21, 2018, 11:12:10 PM »
Do you hear anyone screaming that felons should be able to own guns? Don't they have rights. 2A doesn't preclude them from owning guns.

Felons are a different thing altogether. They don't have the right to vote either.

@chaimmoskowitz do you agree with this? If so why would you say assault rifles should be banned any more than handguns?



Do I agree every time you pull the trigger a round is fired, yes. What is your point?

We have many gun problems in this country. You can't lump them all together.



Assault rifles have massive killing power. Most have 20-30 round magazines as standard. Way more accurate than handguns.
Every situation is different. The problem is these weapons have become so popular. Monkey see monkey do.
We are lucky these deranged individuals are not knowledgeable about guns or more lives would be lost.

Sorry but I don't understand the answer




They were told he was to busy. Going to a funeral to get votes is not a valid excuse to being to busy.What did he do after the last mass shooting in FL?

1) What makes you say that he didn't go to the last funeral? If the Orlando shooting was the last one in sure that he did.

2) Who decides which side is playing politics? They decided that the kids we're sincere about it while Scott is playing politics. Perhaps they we're sent to create a political scene and he went to the funeral as he's done in the past. ( Donno if he went..)

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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #795 on: February 21, 2018, 11:18:46 PM »


2) Who decides which side is playing politics?
I know that does something to advance a position I disagree with is playing politics.
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #796 on: February 21, 2018, 11:22:10 PM »
I know that does something to advance a position I disagree with is playing politics.
Ding Ding we have a winner!

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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #797 on: February 21, 2018, 11:22:24 PM »
Felons are a different thing altogether. They don't have the right to vote either.

They can vote. I can’t spend all my time correcting everything. 😂
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #798 on: February 21, 2018, 11:28:32 PM »
They can vote. I can’t spend all my time correcting everything.
I stand corrected. I thought that this was in all states.

I do see however that it varies by state

https://felonvoting.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000286

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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #799 on: February 21, 2018, 11:37:28 PM »
Pathetic that his words are gold, because he is child was killed. It's sad and we are compassionate for him, but since when does his opinion matter? Why has he suddenly become a politician, and his opinions are heeded without thought.
https://youtu.be/zXMzzA3TVYA
Or this guy
https://youtu.be/Lo52BObqCds
These same kids who aren't developed enough to be able to buy guns, but enough to give their two cents in politics?
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