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1) The Holocaust happened because Jews were unable to obtain guns due to Poland's notoriously strict gun laws.
2) The left wants an absolute gun ban - no guns at all, any type, for anyone, ever.
3) The right wants mass shootings, especially school shootings.
4) Everyone agrees we need to require better background checks and use more discretion in handing out gun licenses.
4.a The right cannot pass such legislation because it is a slippery slope to banning all guns, everywhere, for everyone.
4.b The left cannot pass such legislation because it is not enough.
5)  Every school in the US should have metal detectors at the entrance, be surrounded by a 30' cement wall and have armed guards in every classroom and hallway. The more guns around kids the better.
6) 7 year olds going through half an hour of security theater every day just to go to school is a perfectly normal and acceptable solution.
7) The second amendment entitles every US citizen to an AR-15.
8 ) Laws don't prevent crimes.
9) Guns don't kill people
10) Stats prove my side of the argument 100% correct. (D)
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Author Topic: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)  (Read 200161 times)

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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1040 on: February 23, 2018, 03:48:40 PM »
The is a reason the NRA doesn't bring up Israel's gun policy. Because overall it works and they don't want that here.
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1041 on: February 23, 2018, 03:50:40 PM »
Sure here you go.You simply do not have the tools to understand everything just yet.
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1042 on: February 23, 2018, 03:55:02 PM »

Don't confuse arguments with trying to educate. I might have to bring back the "young grasshopper" line.  :)
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1043 on: February 23, 2018, 03:58:17 PM »
...this shows that having armed teachers can stop a shooting attack.
Don't let facts get in the way of a good story line.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/school-shooting-in-central-israel-two-masked-gunmen-wound-teen-1.5803294
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1045 on: February 23, 2018, 04:03:24 PM »
Can anyone that lives in Israel or familiar with their schools tell me if this is accurate? It paints a different picture why their schools are so safe.
https://www.stripes.com/news/middle-east/why-school-shootings-are-so-rare-in-israel-where-guns-are-such-a-common-sight-1.513206
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1047 on: February 23, 2018, 04:13:02 PM »
Can anyone that lives in Israel or familiar with their schools tell me if this is accurate? It paints a different picture why their schools are so safe.
https://www.stripes.com/news/middle-east/why-school-shootings-are-so-rare-in-israel-where-guns-are-such-a-common-sight-1.513206
I think that is very in line with what people here have been saying. There are two contributing factors. One is the extra security around schools to prevent terror attacks and the other is their gun laws. There may also be a cultural difference wth a greater feeling of camaraderie in a country in a constant state of war. It does seem that the security has mostly been enough since it has also prevented terror attacks and they don't follow laws. It has also prevented knife attacks.
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1048 on: February 23, 2018, 04:15:19 PM »
Did anyone fact check this?
Isn't this article an Israeli fact checking claims made by US media?
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1049 on: February 23, 2018, 04:17:33 PM »
Isn't this article an Israeli fact checking claims made by US media?
Not sure what it is but I am calling BS with the first Google search and I suck at searching.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercaz_HaRav_massacre
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1050 on: February 23, 2018, 04:28:22 PM »
Not sure what it is but I am calling BS with the first Google search and I suck at searching.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercaz_HaRav_massacre
Wasn't that before the changes mentioned in that article?
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1051 on: February 23, 2018, 04:30:03 PM »


I suck at searching.

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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1052 on: February 23, 2018, 04:33:37 PM »
Wasn't that before the changes mentioned in that article?
The tweet says since 1974 and this happened in 2008. What am I missing.
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1055 on: February 23, 2018, 04:39:37 PM »
The tweet says since 1974 and this happened in 2008. What am I missing.
Oh I didn't pay attention to the tweet but read the article. I see that the article also references that at the end as well. My guess is that they are not counting that as a school. Most Israelis would not. It is more of a religious seminary with post grade school students than a school.
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« Reply #1056 on: February 23, 2018, 04:42:38 PM »
Oh I didn't pay attention to the tweet but read the article. I see that the article also references that at the end as well. My guess is that they are not counting that as a school. Most Israelis would not. It is more of a religious seminary with post grade school students than a school.
A Yeshiva is not a school?
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1058 on: February 23, 2018, 04:46:39 PM »
A Yeshiva is not a school?
They definitely don't have the same security measures that the elementary schools have. I can tell you that from experience. They are not considering it a school.
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1059 on: February 23, 2018, 04:49:50 PM »
https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/23/politics/parkland-school-shooting-broward-deputies/index.html?sr=twCNNp022318parkland-school-shooting-broward-deputies0436PMStory&CNNPolitics=Tw

Sources: Coral Springs police upset at some Broward deputies for not entering school

When Coral Springs police officers arrived at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, on February 14 in the midst of the school shooting crisis, many officers were surprised to find not only that Broward County Sheriff's Deputy Scot Peterson, the armed school resource officer, had not entered the building, but that three other Broward County Sheriff's deputies were also outside the school and had not entered, Coral Springs sources tell CNN. The deputies had their pistols drawn and were behind their vehicles, the sources said, and not one of them had gone into the school.
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Some Coral Springs police were stunned and upset that the four original Broward County Sheriff's deputies who were first on the scene did not appear to join them as they entered the school, Coral Springs sources tell CNN. It's unclear whether the shooter was still in the building when they arrived.What these Coral Springs officers observed -- though not their feelings about it -- will be released in a report, likely next week. Sources cautioned that tapes are currently being reviewed and official accounts could ultimately differ from recollections of officers on the scene.

WOW. Should have known as soon as the elected sheriff started his grandstanding.
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