Author Topic: Chilul hashem on AF  (Read 10568 times)

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Chilul hashem on AF
« on: April 17, 2018, 08:37:45 PM »
Just noticed this note in a PNR of my pax who flew 2 days ago on AF.
People don't realize what they do, and then claim that FA's are antisemite.

They usually document these things as a secured note which agents cant read, who knows how often this happens.

 18 OSI YY PAP A FAIT UN SCANDALE DANS L AVION                                 
 19 OSI YY CAR ASSIS A COTE D UN FEMME                                         
 20 OSI YY AVION EN RETARD PAR SA FAUTE

G Translate:
PAX MADE A SCANDAL IN THE PLANE
BECAUSE SITTING SIDE OF A WOMAN
PLANE DELAYED BY HIS FAULT


« Last Edit: April 17, 2018, 08:51:58 PM by mendyt »

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Re: Chilul hashem on AF
« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2018, 08:50:29 PM »
Just noticed this note in a PNR of my pax who flew 2 days ago on AF.
People don't realize what they do, and then claim that FA's are antisemite.

They usually document these things as a secured note which agents cant read, who knows how often this happens.

 18 OSI YY PAP A FAIT UN SCANDALE DANS L AVION                                 
 19 OSI YY CAR ASSIS A COTE D UN FEMME                                         
 20 OSI YY AVION EN RETARD PAR SA FAUTE

G Translate:
PAX MADE A SCANDAL IN THE PLANE
CAR SITTING SIDE OF A WOMAN
PLANE DELAYED BY HIS FAULT
Car=because

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Re: Chilul hashem on AF
« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2018, 08:51:27 PM »
Just noticed this note in a PNR of my pax who flew 2 days ago on AF.
People don't realize what they do, and then claim that FA's are antisemite.

They usually document these things as a secured note which agents cant read, who knows how often this happens.

 18 OSI YY PAP A FAIT UN SCANDALE DANS L AVION                                 
 19 OSI YY CAR ASSIS A COTE D UN FEMME                                         
 20 OSI YY AVION EN RETARD PAR SA FAUTE

G Translate:
PAX MADE A SCANDAL IN THE PLANE
CAR SITTING SIDE OF A WOMAN
PLANE DELAYED BY HIS FAULT
Kiddish hashem

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Re: Chilul hashem on AF
« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2018, 08:52:02 PM »
Kiddish hashem
+1
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Re: Chilul hashem on AF
« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2018, 08:53:24 PM »
+1
If done right only.

Was obviously not done the right way

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Re: Chilul hashem on AF
« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2018, 08:56:37 PM »
If plane was delayed because of this then it's def a Chillul Hashem.

I always sit down right away and just ask flight attendant politely if possible to change. No big fuss, Chillul Hashem/holding up plane is much worse than sitting nexto woman.


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Re: Chilul hashem on AF
« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2018, 09:05:12 PM »
There shouldn’t be any delay. “Sit down or GET OFF!!!”

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Re: Chilul hashem on AF
« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2018, 09:38:44 PM »
Was obviously not done the right way
Did you tell your client?

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Re: Chilul hashem on AF
« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2018, 09:52:08 PM »
Did you tell your client?

No.
Won't mention it unless he tells us something.

Pax always complain that FAs hate us, well they don't tell you the other half of the story. When I grew up I was told to ask politely and never make a fuss about it

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Re: Chilul hashem on AF
« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2018, 10:24:47 PM »
Ridiculous.

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Re: Chilul hashem on AF
« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2018, 10:49:01 PM »
Kiddish hashem
Why do you think so?
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Re: Chilul hashem on AF
« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2018, 10:55:30 PM »
change title to CH on DDF.
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Re: Chilul hashem on AF
« Reply #12 on: April 17, 2018, 11:07:35 PM »
Just my 2 cents here without taking sides. it’s very interesting that everyone’s taking the side of the FA and no one knows what happened... maybe he asked nicely? Why take her word for it?

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Re: Chilul hashem on AF
« Reply #13 on: April 17, 2018, 11:39:06 PM »
Just my 2 cents here without taking sides. it’s very interesting that everyone’s taking the side of the FA and no one knows what happened... maybe he asked nicely? Why take her word for it?
You are right. Asking nicely resulted in a delay?

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Re: Chilul hashem on AF
« Reply #14 on: April 17, 2018, 11:48:50 PM »
Just my 2 cents here without taking sides. it’s very interesting that everyone’s taking the side of the FA and no one knows what happened... maybe he asked nicely? Why take her word for it?
You are right. Asking nicely resulted in a delay?
Everything is possible, but I believe we all witnessed already these scenarios...
Now I'm tempted to ask the passenger his side
Will report back iyh

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Re: Chilul hashem on AF
« Reply #15 on: April 18, 2018, 12:47:53 AM »
We had this PC discussion on DDF a few times already.
Kiddsh hashem vs Chilul hashem, the true meaning.

There are quite a few poskin that hold it's asuer. So sitting down for some is not even an option.

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Re: Chilul hashem on AF
« Reply #16 on: April 18, 2018, 01:07:00 AM »
You are right. Asking nicely resulted in a delay?
To play devils advocate:
His seat change may have had nothing to do with any delay; perhaps they were delayed for other reasons. Or perhaps his polite request was treated with disrespect and caused a delay.
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Re: Chilul hashem on AF
« Reply #17 on: April 18, 2018, 08:05:40 AM »
To play devils advocate:
His seat change may have had nothing to do with any delay; perhaps they were delayed for other reasons. Or perhaps his polite request was treated with disrespect and caused a delay.
I honestly wouldn't be surprised either way. I wouldn't even call it devil's advocate. I'm sure there have been similar stories in the past where the passenger was at fault and times where the FA was at fault

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Re: Chilul hashem on AF
« Reply #18 on: April 18, 2018, 08:11:35 AM »
except that in this case he knows the PAX complains that all FA's hate him (read: jews?)

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Re: Chilul hashem on AF
« Reply #19 on: April 18, 2018, 09:40:31 AM »
except that in this case he knows the PAX complains that all FA's hate him (read: jews?)
Didn't mean this pax in particular.
It's just the common slang you hear from many heimishe  people.
Will hopefully find out the other side of the story by tomorrow