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Re: All About Grilling
« Reply #76 on: May 09, 2018, 07:54:40 PM »
Or go with the psak of CRC
http://www.crcweb.org/Sappirim/Sappirim%2022%20(Jan%202012).pdf

I guess you should ask your own rav, but I don't find their reasoning very compelling.

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Re: All About Grilling
« Reply #77 on: May 09, 2018, 07:59:26 PM »
I guess you should ask your own rav, but I don't find their reasoning very compelling.
Which part?
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Re: All About Grilling
« Reply #78 on: May 09, 2018, 09:05:12 PM »
Which part?

For a diff time. But haga atzmecha--if they are correct that it only needs hagala, then libun kal also works. If libun kal also works, then it doesn't need anything because the seasoning process itself is at above libun kal. 

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Re: All About Grilling
« Reply #79 on: May 09, 2018, 09:13:13 PM »
For a diff time. But haga atzmecha--if they are correct that it only needs hagala, then libun kal also works. If libun kal also works, then it doesn't need anything because the seasoning process itself is at above libun kal. 
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Re: All About Grilling
« Reply #80 on: May 09, 2018, 09:26:43 PM »
אי משום הא לא איריא
that is when the issur is there getting absorbed.

Where'd the issur go after that?

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Re: All About Grilling
« Reply #81 on: May 09, 2018, 11:55:06 PM »
If the company claims to use a kosher type of oil would that change anything?
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Re: All About Grilling
« Reply #82 on: May 10, 2018, 12:01:45 AM »
Where'd the issur go after that?
It got absorbed
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Re: All About Grilling
« Reply #83 on: May 10, 2018, 12:07:12 AM »
It got absorbed

I believe it actually burns and the burnt residue adheres to the metal.

Regardless, if hagala works,  then libun Kal works.  So by the end of the seasoning process, once the stuff was burnt, it should be libun kal.


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Re: All About Grilling
« Reply #84 on: May 10, 2018, 07:40:00 AM »
I believe it actually burns and the burnt residue adheres to the metal.

Regardless, if hagala works,  then libun Kal works.  So by the end of the seasoning process, once the stuff was burnt, it should be libun kal.
Maybe it technically should be if it can be reliably quantified.
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Re: All About Grilling
« Reply #85 on: May 10, 2018, 09:59:20 AM »
Maybe it technically should be if it can be reliably quantified.

What more could you need than the fact that the pot is in front of you, seasoned?

I just don't think this CRC memo is very well considered. 

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Re: All About Grilling
« Reply #86 on: May 10, 2018, 10:01:30 AM »
@moko How do you kasher a cast iron pot that is seasoned with possibly treif oil?  Does it need libun gamur, libun kal, or nothing? 

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Re: All About Grilling
« Reply #87 on: May 10, 2018, 10:14:51 AM »
@moko How do you kasher a cast iron pot that is seasoned with possibly treif oil?  Does it need libun gamur, libun kal, or nothing?
there are differences of opinion on this matter. If it is seasoned with kosher oil then no kashering is necessary. I would be happy to provide hashgacha if Lodge is interested.
It comes down to 2 factors:
1. Rama Mpano- if the oil is treif , even if you had a lot of oil on the pan it would require kashering
2. What constitutes the din of machvas. How much liquid is needed. I believe conventional wisdom is that you need enough liquid for frying. But others hold as long as it is more than a coating such as Pam , it would qualify as a machvas and then be subject to that machlokes. Even though normally machvas from treif would require libun, others believe that this is at best a safek and hagala would be sufficient.

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Re: All About Grilling
« Reply #88 on: May 10, 2018, 10:33:30 AM »
there are differences of opinion on this matter. If it is seasoned with kosher oil then no kashering is necessary. I would be happy to provide hashgacha if Lodge is interested.
It comes down to 2 factors:
1. Rama Mpano- if the oil is treif , even if you had a lot of oil on the pan it would require kashering
2. What constitutes the din of machvas. How much liquid is needed. I believe conventional wisdom is that you need enough liquid for frying. But others hold as long as it is more than a coating such as Pam , it would qualify as a machvas and then be subject to that machlokes. Even though normally machvas from treif would require libun, others believe that this is at best a safek and hagala would be sufficient.
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Re: All About Grilling
« Reply #89 on: May 10, 2018, 11:49:54 AM »
there are differences of opinion on this matter. If it is seasoned with kosher oil then no kashering is necessary. I would be happy to provide hashgacha if Lodge is interested.
It comes down to 2 factors:
1. Rama Mpano- if the oil is treif , even if you had a lot of oil on the pan it would require kashering
2. What constitutes the din of machvas. How much liquid is needed. I believe conventional wisdom is that you need enough liquid for frying. But others hold as long as it is more than a coating such as Pam , it would qualify as a machvas and then be subject to that machlokes. Even though normally machvas from treif would require libun, others believe that this is at best a safek and hagala would be sufficient.

To number 2, shouldn't it be worse than machabas, since the whole idea is that there is no liquid left by the time you are done?

Also, if it only needs hagalah, then why isn't the seasoning process itself (at like 500+ degrees) libun kal?