FBI opens investigation into killing of Shireen Abu Akleh

[CountValentine]

We can get into a discussion about whether it is worthwhile for the US or not, but that's a completely different discussion. Where Israel ranks in Forbes list is completely irrelevant to the aid, and even more so, to this story.

My point was opening a story about a journalist killed by Israel with a completely dishonest framing of the "aid" given to Israel is done for a reason, and that is to cloud the reader's judgment of Israel's relation with the US. You wanted to know if anything in the article was wrong, and I'm showing you the opening and foundation of it is not only wrong, it is purposefully creating a pejorative narrative.

Pointing out things that are wrong in the article is fine. Framing the aid as win-win is fiction.

What I got from the article is the headline and I agree with it. They are giving the US the middle finger.

[Yehuda57]

Pointing out things that are wrong in the article is fine. Framing the aid as win-win is fiction.

What I got from the article is the headline and I agree with it. They are giving the US the middle finger.

It's not fact or fiction, it's an opinion, which also happens to be shared by many who aren't even pro Israel politically, but vote in favor of these deals. You're welcome to disagree. The only fact is that the aid is completely misframed in the article, even if you don't agree it is a win-win, it is still a military equipment deal, and not aid for a poor country.

What I got from the article is the headline and I agree with it. They are giving the US the middle finger.

Well sure, you can see it as giving the finger, but Israel would say it was only after the US said they wanted to come snooping in their bedroom because they didn't trust them.

[TimT]

Headlines you WON’T see from SK:

“Iran gave the middle finger to the US government”

“Palestinians gave the middle finger to the US government”

(And on & on)

[CountValentine]

Well sure, you can see it as giving the finger, but Israel would say it was only after the US said they wanted to come snooping in their bedroom because they didn't trust them.

You need to understand that when it comes the US against any other country I am going to side with the US unless something is blatantly wrong. So, what Israel thinks or says is meaningless. The same for any other country.

[Yehuda57]

You need to understand that when it comes the US against any other country I am going to side with the US unless something is blatantly wrong. So, what Israel thinks or says is meaningless. The same for any other country.

Ok, so you agree that the entire article is bunk, you just happen to agree with the wording of the headline?

[CountValentine]

Ok, so you agree that the entire article is bunk, you just happen to agree with the wording of the headline?

It reminds of the NYT article. It is a hit piece but that doesn't mean all the info is wrong.
I said way before this article the US should use the aid angle to put pressure on Israel for the investigation.

[Lurker]

It reminds of the NYT article. It is a hit piece but that doesn't mean all the info is wrong.
I said way before this article the US should use the aid angle to put pressure on Israel for the investigation.

The problem with the aid angle is that it's portrayed as if it's a one way street. The reality is that a) the money stays here, funding our defense industry, b) Israel provides us with cutting edge tech because of this relationship, and c) our strategic alliance with Israel is too valuable to us for us to mess with over an investigation we're only doing to placate some loud voices.

[TimT]

You need to understand that when it comes to 20 Democratic Senators against any other country I am going to side with the Democratic Senators

FTFY
The White House & State department denied having anything to do with this & have said they were satisfied with the original investigation.

[Yehuda57]

It reminds of the NYT article. It is a hit piece but that doesn't mean all the info is wrong.
I said way before this article the US should use the aid angle to put pressure on Israel for the investigation.

Look, I'm very clearly biased. I have cousins that live within 3 miles of Gaza. Without the Iron Dome, the scary situation becomes terrifying. But even so, I think you are severely underestimating what America gains from the aid given to Israel. It is nothing like foreign aid given on humanitarian grounds, such as the funds given to Palestinian organizations which use the money intended for humanitarian purposes to kill Jews.

[jj1000]

@CountValentine You can't win!

https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/2143530/us-intrusion-fbi-contacts-victim-of-jerusalem-bombing-attack.html

[CountValentine]

@CountValentine You can't win!

...but I am way ahead on points. 

[CountValentine]

Israeli PM Slams Al Jazeera For Requesting International Criminal Court Investigate Death of Journalist
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/israeli-pm-slams-al-jazeera-for-requesting-international-criminal-court-investigate-death-of-journalist/ar-AA14Z6Kp?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=581cc18fbb7e4b238e9615b8446e543e

[yelped]

Israeli PM Slams Al Jazeera For Requesting International Criminal Court Investigate Death of Journalist
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/israeli-pm-slams-al-jazeera-for-requesting-international-criminal-court-investigate-death-of-journalist/ar-AA14Z6Kp?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=581cc18fbb7e4b238e9615b8446e543e

https://honestreporting.com/honestreporting-exclusive-shireen-abu-akleh-death-witness-turns-out-to-be-islamic-jihad-terrorist/

Is there anything Al Jazeera does not lie about?

[CountValentine]

https://honestreporting.com/honestreporting-exclusive-shireen-abu-akleh-death-witness-turns-out-to-be-islamic-jihad-terrorist/

Is there anything Al Jazeera does not lie about?

I love their name "honestreporting". 

[Lurker]

I love their name "honestreporting". 

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/honest-reporting/

Detailed Report
Factual Reporting: MOSTLY FACTUAL
Country: USA
World Press Freedom Rank: USA 45/180

History

HonestReporting (or Honest Reporting) is a pro-Israel, non-governmental organization that monitors the media for what it perceives as bias against Israel. The organization is a United States 501(c)3 registered charity headquartered in Skokie, Illinois, with its editorial staff based in Jerusalem, Israel. It has affiliates in the United States, UK, Canada, Italy, and Brazil. They claim their mission as “HonestReporting combats the false depiction of Israel in the media by challenging the biased coverage and demanding accountability. HR’s mission is to educate the public about unfair media coverage of Israel and to empower the grassroots to respond in an effective manner.”

Funded by / Ownership

HonestReporting is a 501(c)3 nonprofit that is funded primarily through donations.

Analysis / Bias

In review, HonestReporting reports on the news where they perceive that Israel was portrayed unfairly. Many stories are negative toward Palestine and attempt to portray Israel as a victim such as this Reuters Ignores Palestinian Rejectionism and Violence as Cause of Conflict. We are not saying they are wrong, simply that the opinion may be biased based on where one stands. With that said, this website is 100% biased in favor of Israel and generally favors the political right with stories such as this HR Supports ADL Against Far-Left Cancel Culture. This story is credibly sourced to the ADL, Forward, and Washington Post.

Editorially, they hold pro-Israel nationalist positions in favor of Benjamin Netanyahu. Some might call them a propaganda source.

Failed Fact Checks

None in the Last 5 years

Overall, we rate HonestReporting Right-Center Biased based on support for right-leaning nationalist Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. We also rate them Mostly Factual, rather than High due to the promotion of nationalist propaganda.

[CountValentine]

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/honest-reporting/

So HR is rated the same as CNBC and one step above Al Jazeera, got it.
Will it be ok to use CNBC as an accurate source?
ETA: Messing around on the site and FOX news/Al Jazeera are rated the same. 

[Lurker]

So HR is rated the same as CNBC and one step above Al Jazeera, got it.
Will it be ok to use CNBC as an accurate source?
ETA: Messing around on the site and FOX news/Al Jazeera are rated the same. 

Al- Jazeera

Detailed Report
Bias Rating: LEFT-CENTER
Factual Reporting: MIXED
Country: Qatar
Press Freedom Rank: LIMITED FREEDOM
Media Type: TV Station
Traffic/Popularity: High Traffic
MBFC Credibility Rating: MEDIUM CREDIBILITY

CNBC

Detailed Report
Bias Rating: LEFT-CENTER
Factual Reporting: MOSTLY FACTUAL
Country: USA
Press Freedom Rating: MOSTLY FREE
Media Type: TV Station
Traffic/Popularity: High Traffic
MBFC Credibility Rating: HIGH CREDIBILITY

ETA: both have had failed facts checks.

[CountValentine]

HR & CNBC - Factual Reporting: MOSTLY FACTUAL
FOX & Al Jazeera - Factual Reporting: MIXED

Ranking
Very High
High
Mostly factual
Mixed
Low
Very Low

[Lurker]

HR & CNBC - Factual Reporting: MOSTLY FACTUAL
FOX & Al Jazeera - Factual Reporting: MIXED

Ranking
Very High
High
Mostly factual
Mixed
Low
Very Low

That's great, but beyond the general categories, CNCBC has failed fact checks, and HR hasn't. Seems like "username checks out."

You can quote whichever source you want, just know the context of their bias, and whether it has ever possibly influenced them into posting false information.

[CountValentine]

You can quote whichever source you want, just know the context of their bias, and whether it has ever possibly influenced them into posting false information.

If any organization only puts out stories one way, I give them no credibility.