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BEFORE SWIPING FOR SOMEONE READ THIS: (first hand story)

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=36812.msg2062371#msg2062371
https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/dark-side-earning-credit-card-points-psa-dont-swipe-others/#comment-1399884


Dan's warning to DDF:
Quote from: Dan on February 10, 2019, 10:47:31 PM
I hope people realize that any buying group or anyone else that gets merchandise in advance of payment can go south at any time. That's even if you get a check at the time of delivery.
Quote from: Dan on February 10, 2019, 10:51:55 PM
X-posting as I don't want anyone to say that I never put a warning here.

A story that ended up in court - https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/DocumentList?docketId=iRcRHuyZUdOIx69D00a5XQ==&display=all&courtType=Kings%20County%20Supreme%20Court&resultsPageNum=1


Quote from: halperng on July 24, 2023, 06:00:12 PM
I am one of the biggest buyers for buying groups, I have done millions in transactions and have sent to every group there is over the past 3 years. Most buying groups are okay, some scan in slower than others, some pay slower than others - most will lose a few packages over the year. You can research and find which are better for you.

However there is a bigger problem now with Amazon itself.  Amazon in the past has been great with any problems always ready with a refund for lost packages even if it was thousands of dollars. Lately Amazon has clamped down and has tagged these buying groups addresses  in their systems as "freight forwarder" and now no longer will fix any problem you have whatsoever. Doesn't matter what the problem is, even if it shows the package was never delivered, amazon will not help you in any way. Their copy and paste response will always be "this item was sent to a freight forwarder and we're unable to replace or refund the item. We recommend contacting your freight forwarder for more details, as we don't have any more insight or information regarding this matter, For more information about sending items via freight forwarders, please visit our Help Pages: https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201117950." As well the amazon drivers either must know this or have been increasingly bad at delivering packages because the numbers of packages missing has gone up astronomically. Previously you would have very few packages missing, now the past 3 months I have had 59 "lost" packages. I now have over $15,000 of loses and some guy in Delaware is probably living the life with all the stuff he stole from me. I will survive, I have made a lot more than $15,000 over the years however just a warning to others here that things are not as they used to be and it really is no longer worth doing buring groups with all the loses piling up

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5560 on: April 21, 2024, 02:07:33 PM »
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5561 on: April 21, 2024, 06:17:10 PM »
Quote from: DaasTora on April 21, 2024, 01:11:51 PM
I’m shocked that local publications let this in.
Why are you shocked? As long as there's no woman in the ad, they'll print it :)
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5562 on: April 21, 2024, 06:41:34 PM »
Quote from: DaasTora on April 21, 2024, 01:11:51 PM
I’m shocked that local publications let this in.
These people are dumber than dumb.

Wait for someone to give them a card, and then dispute the charge.   They will be out (.)92%  ;D
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5563 on: April 21, 2024, 06:45:20 PM »
Quote from: Mordyk on April 21, 2024, 06:41:34 PM
These people are dumber than dumb.

Wait for someone to give them a card, and then dispute the charge.   They will be out (.)92%  ;D
Depends what they are doing. I thought maybe they were just using the CC for purchases not processing it themselves.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5564 on: April 21, 2024, 07:09:46 PM »
Quote from: UKinNYS on April 21, 2024, 01:24:43 PM
they're back ::)

I'm not sure they ever went away, at least in Lakewood.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5565 on: May 01, 2024, 03:57:01 PM »
@Dan

There is talk about a certain buying group that has not been making payments in quite a few months. This might be a good time to warn people, at least in a general sense that buying groups are risky business, and not to buy more than you can afford to lose.



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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5566 on: May 01, 2024, 04:11:25 PM »
Quote from: zale on May 01, 2024, 03:57:01 PM
@Dan

There is talk about a certain buying group that has not been making payments in quite a few months. This might be a good time to warn people, at least in a general sense that buying groups are risky business, and not to buy more than you can afford to lose.
Why cover for them?
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5567 on: May 01, 2024, 04:21:12 PM »
Quote from: Dan on May 01, 2024, 04:11:25 PM
Why cover for them?

 I can't really argue with that.
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PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5568 on: May 01, 2024, 05:32:21 PM »
Quote from: Dan on May 01, 2024, 04:11:25 PM
Why cover for them?
MYS

And they just made *some* payments today for sales going as far back as November
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5569 on: May 02, 2024, 12:03:07 AM »
 MYS and MGM Socher are one and the same FWIW
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5570 on: May 02, 2024, 07:32:30 AM »
Quote from: zale on May 01, 2024, 03:57:01 PM
This might be a good time to warn people

Once things are going south it’s usually too late to warn people…
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5571 on: May 02, 2024, 07:56:48 AM »
why isn't this thread in General Discussion?
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5572 on: May 02, 2024, 10:56:23 AM »
Quote from: AsherO on May 02, 2024, 07:32:30 AM
Once things are going south it’s usually too late to warn people…
Warnings were there.
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Having serious issues with MYS. Checks not coming for a while after their already ridiculous timelines... Tickets getting responded to after a few days. "They forwarded my concern to the financial dept". LOL. Like it's some corporate office.
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I had that recently too after messaging them but then they sent out 3 of 5 outstanding checks within a few days.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5573 on: May 02, 2024, 11:02:33 AM »
Quote from: AsherO on May 02, 2024, 07:32:30 AM
Once things are going south it’s usually too late to warn people…

They are still actively soliciting. At the very least, new people won't get looped into it.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5574 on: May 05, 2024, 02:40:19 PM »
Quote from: zale on May 01, 2024, 03:57:01 PM
@Dan

There is talk about a certain buying group that has not been making payments in quite a few months. This might be a good time to warn people, at least in a general sense that buying groups are risky business, and not to buy more than you can afford to lose.
I heard that his kollel didn't get pesach bonuses this year.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5575 on: Yesterday at 08:25:43 PM »
rumor that they in the last few days paid up a bunch of old requests
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5576 on: Yesterday at 08:44:58 PM »
Dear Esteemed MYS Members,

With nearly 8 years of leadership in the buying group sector, our dedication to reliability and trust has remained steadfast. Your trust and confidence in us are paramount, and we are committed to prioritizing your interests and ensuring timely payments, fostering mutual success for all involved.
I was disappointed to learn of payment delays being experienced by some of our buyers. To those affected by these delays, please accept my sincerest apologies.

(Some of you may have seen a recent article published on Facebook that sparked unnecessary stress and panic within our community. It is regrettable that the author of that article didn’t seek my perspective or verify facts before drawing conclusions.)

Immediate action has been taken to rectify the situation. Rest assured, all payments are up to date.

Additionally, I am pleased to announce the implementation of a robust system update to ensure that no buyer will face payment delays exceeding 20 business days in the future.

These measures underscore our ongoing commitment to refining our processes and earning your satisfaction and trust in our buying group. With these enhancements in place and our foundational dedication to honesty and mutual success, I am confident that we will continue to serve you with excellence and uphold our reputation for reliability.

Thank you for your understanding and steadfast support.

Warm regards,

Yosef Greenwald
CEO of MYS Buying Group
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5577 on: Yesterday at 09:44:45 PM »
Quote from: mlardi on Yesterday at 08:44:58 PM
Dear Esteemed MYS Members,

With nearly 8 years of leadership in the buying group sector, our dedication to reliability and trust has remained steadfast. Your trust and confidence in us are paramount, and we are committed to prioritizing your interests and ensuring timely payments, fostering mutual success for all involved.
I was disappointed to learn of payment delays being experienced by some of our buyers. To those affected by these delays, please accept my sincerest apologies.

(Some of you may have seen a recent article published on Facebook that sparked unnecessary stress and panic within our community. It is regrettable that the author of that article didn’t seek my perspective or verify facts before drawing conclusions.)

Immediate action has been taken to rectify the situation. Rest assured, all payments are up to date.

Additionally, I am pleased to announce the implementation of a robust system update to ensure that no buyer will face payment delays exceeding 20 business days in the future.

These measures underscore our ongoing commitment to refining our processes and earning your satisfaction and trust in our buying group. With these enhancements in place and our foundational dedication to honesty and mutual success, I am confident that we will continue to serve you with excellence and uphold our reputation for reliability.

Thank you for your understanding and steadfast support.

Warm regards,

Yosef Greenwald
CEO of MYS Buying Group

So this was all just a misunderstanding?

Well I guess all is good then.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5578 on: Yesterday at 10:30:28 PM »
Quote from: zale on Yesterday at 09:44:45 PM
So this was all just a misunderstanding?

Well I guess all is good then.

Apologized, rectified, committed to improve. Not sure what more you were looking for.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5579 on: Yesterday at 10:47:34 PM »
When you see red flag after red flag you need to open your eyes. If not, you deserve to get burned.
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