CV's Copy - ISRAEL-HAMAS

[dasmo801]

Those comments are over the top.

Give me a break. Millions of our people are facing an
existential threat and Biden is being played by people who would be happy to see that outcome. They may couch it in other terms but that's the truth. We have bigger things to worry about than if someone is hurting his feelings.

[smurf]

We all know it doesn't matter.
They could return ever hostage and Israel still won't/can't give them what they want.
Maybe after they are done in Raffah they can but as of know they can't.
Do I have it right?

Weren't there possible offers for exile instead of extinction?

[aygart]

Biden reminds me of the dad that helps out his son. When he refuses to give his son money for an investment he feels is bad his son then turns on him like a rabid dog.

Just to comment on this.

If the Israelis did not feel that they have no choice but to eliminate Hamas then this would possibly make sense. But they do feel they have no choice. Therefore they feel they have no choice but to ignore what they consider unreasonable demands and accept whatever the consequences may be. There is absolutely nobody that gains from this. Israel hurts their relationship with their most important ally, Biden comes out looking weak, Civilians get killed, Hamas continues feeling that embedding with civilians will save them etc.

[aygart]

Give me a break. Millions of our people are facing an
existential threat and Biden is being played by people who would be happy to see that outcome. They may couch it in other terms but that's the truth. We have bigger things to worry about than if someone is hurting his feelings.

They are still over the top.

[CountValentine]

wrong, hamas has ability to flee thru tunnels from Rafah to Egypt this is the main reason israel held off until now in fact we don't know for sure if sinwar is still in gaza.

I have more faith in Israel than you do. They will hunt down and kill every major player no matter where they try and hide. Hamas knows this. The only way to try and avoid this is an end to the war.

[CountValentine]

Weren't there possible offers for exile instead of extinction?

Was there? Can Israel really let the leader go free?
I don't see that happening.

[smurf]

Biden reminds me of the dad that helps out uses money to control his son. When he refuses to give his son money for an investment he feels is bad lifesaving treatment his son then turns on him like a rabid dog fights on without him.

Hamas is a cancer, removing them is not a bad investment, and most people with a will to live, will fight with everything they got, even if the treatment is painful.
So unless you got a miracle cure for the hamas disease this comment is way out of place.

[CountValentine]

Just to comment on this.

How about this. An over-the-top response to over-the-top posts?
With that I need some rest. 

[aygart]

How about this. An over-the-top response to over-the-top posts?
With that I need some rest. 

I can accept that.

[Sammy82]

This is not true. He wants and is trying to get the hostages.

The biggest obstacle to the hostages is Israel. They can't give what Hamas wants, the end to the war.
All they will give is a temporary cease fire. How can you expect to negotiate with Hamas when the last line is we are going to kill everyone one of you no matter what.

I understand and agree they MUST eliminate Hamas but that is the reality.

Right, Israel is the biggest obstacles to the Hostages. Not the animals  holding them.

EDIT: calling them aminals is the wrong word. Animals don't kill, rape, torture, etc like these thing do. At the very least, animals produce manure which could be used to plant. Those POS in Gaza can't even be that useful. I challenge you to come up with 10 productive/useful things that those people produced over the past 75 years. Aside from destruction, hate, proverty...
Let them release ALL of the hostages and then we could start negotiations on ending the war.

[aygart]

Right, Israel is the biggest obstacles to the Hostages. Not the animals  holding them.

EDIT: calling them aminals is the wrong word. Animals don't kill, rape, torture, etc like these thing do. At the very least, animals produce manure which could be used to plant. Those POS in Gaza can't even be that useful. I challenge you to come up with 10 productive/useful things that those people produced over the past 75 years. Aside from destruction, hate, proverty...
Let them release ALL of the hostages and then we could start negotiations on ending the war.

Cmon that isn't what he meant. He even wrote that he agrees that this is what Israel needs to do.

[aygart]

I can accept that.

But that is the bottom line about why Biden's actions here are so terrible. If he was trying to pressure them into something they can do it is one thing but he is trying to pressure them into something they cannot fulfill.

[zh cohen]

He is not forcing anything. He is putting immense pressure.

This distinction without a difference is giving me very co-dependent vibes.

[mevinyavin]

Those comments are over the top.

Pres. Herzog: Avoid baseless statements that harm Israel
'When there are disagreements between friends and allies, there is a way to clarify the disputes; avoid baseless, irresponsible and insulting statements,' President Isaac Herzog urges.

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/389675

[Savingsbeast]

Biden reminds me of the dad that helps out his son. When he refuses to give his son money for an investment he feels is bad his son then turns on him like a rabid dog.

C'mon man!

I believe I'm on the record supporting Biden's actions many times when others were critical. But the weapons embargo is a horrible position for the administration. And not so much because I think he must deliver the weapons; but rather, it's the PR of it that I have issue with.

If this would've been done in private, and kept under wraps, then I would have no issue with it. The US certainly may try to pressure Israel vis-à-vis a weapons embargo to act with the US interest in mind if they rely on US support.

However, if the secrecy of such embargo can't be guaranteed, besides being futile, the repercussions could potentially be many times worse. That's what I have issue with and why I think this was a very serious strategic mistake. In fact, I believe that it is such a strategic error that I have serious concern the president was not consulted with or was ignored on this decision.

Using your 'dad investment' analogy, this is more akin to Warren Buffet, in an effort to 'save' his son from making a strategic misstep in his public company publicly announces that he'll halt a sizeable portion of a planned cash infusion. Do you think that move would save said company?

[aygart]

C'mon man

How about this. An over-the-top response to over-the-top posts?
With that I need some rest. 

[Savingsbeast]

FTFY. It doesn't change the metrics on the ground and does nothing but stab the ally in the back and embolden the terrorists.

Well it does. If it's done privately, it is entirely fair for the US to try to use leverage to get Israel to consider its interest (if in good faith). That's not backstabbing.

[Savingsbeast]

If they have a plan to move civilians then they won't be killed.

That's a bad faith argument.

We all know that there are always some civilians who are unable to move; whether under duress or due to other limitations. Otherwise, there would be no civilian casualties in Iraq, Ukraine or Gaza.

[gozalim]

That is what they say but is it the case?If they have a plan to move civilians then they won't be killed.

yet they are moving them. And uncle Joe is still doubling down. Because it's about Michigan not Gaza

[Mr. CC]

Biden reminds me of the dad that helps out his son. When he refuses to give his son money for an investment he feels is bad his son then turns on him like a rabid dog.

But it doesn't apply when the son is old enough to realize that the father is doing it for his own political interests...