Smash and grab, coming to a theater near you!

[aygart]

All those are useless for retail theft. You really think they are going to put much resources into kids stealing handbags?
You have individuals walking out of stores with shopping carts full of merchandise. 

If this is enough to make national news then it must be much more disruptive. These people are making organized mass robberies. This is not a bunch of kids trying to get new sneakers.

[TimT]

I guess we could have a government run security force for the stores

Are they going to be armed with orders to shoot ?

[AsherO]

All those are useless for retail theft. You really think they are going to put much resources into kids stealing handbags?
You have individuals walking out of stores with shopping carts full of merchandise. 

Just the other day I watched a really ragged-looking (read: likely-homeless) guy in Best Buy trying to hide 2-3 shoebox-sized boxes of merchandise under his windbreaker, a sales associate casually intercepted him and requested that he relinquish the boxes.

The sales associate didn't seem to contact law enforcement and to me it seemed that the guy wandered out of the shop.

About an hour later I saw him standing against the wall surrounded by 6-7 police officers who appeared to be loitering around him. It didn't seem like they planned to apprehend him, but I didn't stay to see what happened so I can't be sure.

As others here have stated, the police have resources to keep criminals in check, if those criminals knew the police would put those resources to use instead of just turning a blind eye.

[yesitsme]

I think a better question is are we just going to keep doing the same thing over and over when it doesn't work?

I guess we could have a government run security force for the stores but how would that be received?

Rudy Giuliani's strategies worked
just don't kill it

[CountValentine]

Are they going to be armed with orders to shoot ?

Shoot for retail theft? I don't think so.

[yesitsme]

this is basically how it looked before the mabul, except that we are talking here about יותר משווה פרוטה

[TimT]

Shoot for retail theft? I don't think so.

So what is this “government run security force” going to do when a gang of 50 come flying through the doors ?

[CountValentine]

Guess we need to raise taxes to build a lot more jails.
https://nypost.com/2021/09/07/shoplifters-stroll-out-of-lowes-with-packed-carts-video/

[CountValentine]

So what is this “government run security force” going to do when a gang of 50 come flying through the doors ?

Have a force of 100 to arrest them.

[CountValentine]

this is basically how it looked before the mabul, except that we are talking here about יותר משווה פרוטה

לא נשמע הגיוני לעצור אבל אף פעם לא

[TimT]

Have a force of 100 to arrest them.

Every shop is going to have a force of 100 ?
Again, what’s the point of arresting them when “reform” vomits them right back out onto the streets ?

[CountValentine]

Every shop is going to have a force of 100 ?

No and that is the problem.

[TimT]

No and that is the problem.

Another problem is you’re expecting them to confront & make arrests all while unarmed & vastly outnumbered, which has them at a terrible disadvantage & puts them in harms way. And some of these thugs are armed too.
Now how’s this supposed to work ?

[CountValentine]

Another problem is you’re expecting them to confront & make arrests all while unarmed & vastly outnumbered, which has them at a terrible disadvantage & puts them in harms way. And some of these thugs are armed too.
Now how’s this supposed to work ?

I never said anything about being unarmed. I said you can't shoot them for retail theft.

[TimT]

I never said anything about being unarmed. I said you can't shoot them for retail theft.

Whats supposed to happen when they get violent while resisting arrest ? Or when they attack security ?
Of course they’re not shooting just for theft. I’m talking about when it escalates, which it will.

[CountValentine]

Whats supposed to happen when they get violent while resisting arrest ? Or when they attack security ?

You would use proper force to arrest them.

[TimT]

You would use proper force to arrest them.

Whats proper force ?

[CountValentine]

Whats proper force ?

You want 100 pages for every possible scenario? 

[TimT]

In NY the DA dropped charges from almost all those involved in the summer rioting & looting. If that’s not giving the green light to this stuff I don’t know what is.

[CountValentine]

In NY the DA dropped charges from almost all those involved in the summer rioting & looting. If that’s not giving the green light to this stuff I don’t know what is.

They should prosecute them even if it doesn't make a difference.

It is like the death penalty. The argument will be people still kill. My answer is, so. It is the proper punishment.