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The picture is in reference to the same war.
Maybe the protester had distinct messages.
1 - NEU kills
2 - Kill all Jews

Or he had one message
NEU kills and has blood on their hands.

Now let me ask you again. What message will the average person think he was making?

The average person with a frame of context of the Israel conflict, or the average ignorant person? I have no clue what the average ignorant person would think, and I don't really care. Anyone with contextbas to the history immediately has that image called to mind, as well as all the other Palestinian imitators over the years calling for the murder of Jews. I can't ignore context just because some people may be ignorant. And if you feel strongly enough about the cause to protest in such a public way, then you can't claim ignorance on its meaning within that context.
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The average person with a frame of context of the Israel conflict, or the average ignorant person? I have no clue what the average ignorant person would think, and I don't really care. Anyone with contextbas to the history immediately has that image called to mind, as well as all the other Palestinian imitators over the years calling for the murder of Jews. I can't ignore context just because some people may be ignorant. And if you feel strongly enough about the cause to protest in such a public way, then you can't claim ignorance on its meaning within that context.
So if the average person selects the second meaning, they are ignorant?
I have no idea who this protester is.
Do you understand fake blood on hands, face and even the whole body has been used by protesters/activists forever?

Shirt reads "NEU kills" and he shows blood on his hands. If you only see one thing then you are in the EC.

Now since you won't answer the question I will. No, the protesters in the picture I posted were not calling for the killing of Jews.
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So if the average person selects the second meaning, they are ignorant?
I have no idea who this protester is.
Do you understand fake blood on hands, face and even the whole body has been used by protesters/activists forever?

Shirt reads "NEU kills" and he shows blood on his hands. If you only see one thing then you are in the EC.

Now since you won't answer the question I will. No, the protesters in the picture I posted were not calling for the killing of Jews.

You understand that cross burnings historically had nothing to donwith racism until relatively recent history? A hangman's noose had nothing to do with Black people until the last 8p years or so. We would never allow those images to be co-opted for any previous use it may have had. They are now sacrosanct, out of respect for those who (rightfully) shiver at the more recent connotations. Ignorance is not an excuse.

For all your efforts to educate those in this echo chamber on the way things are viewed from the other side, do you make a fraction as much effort in educating anyone on how repulsive and terrifying this imagery is to us?

ETA: I ask not to jump down your throat about your posts here. The images associated with slavery and Jim Crow have the recognition because people like you didn't tell Black people, "Well this is what it means to the average person, so get over it." They made a point in educating the average person on what those images meant to Black people and eventually made them universally unacceptable. Jews are tired of being told to suck it up. There are more Jews hurt by the image of the bloody hands than there ever were Black slaves in America.
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So if the average person selects the second meaning, they are ignorant?
I have no idea who this protester is.
Do you understand fake blood on hands, face and even the whole body has been used by protesters/activists forever?

Shirt reads "NEU kills" and he shows blood on his hands. If you only see one thing then you are in the EC.

Now since you won't answer the question I will. No, the protesters in the picture I posted were not calling for the killing of Jews.

How many time have you said on these forums that we need to look at how blacks view something based on history and then we would understand why it is racist? Why would this be different?
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For all your efforts to educate those in this echo chamber on the way things are viewed from the other side, do you make a fraction as much effort in educating anyone on how repulsive and terrifying this imagery is to us?
Unfair question imo, his personal choice of audience to educate isn’t relevant to the points he makes. Besides, it’s a full time job.

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So if the average person selects the second meaning, they are ignorant?
I have no idea who this protester is.
Do you understand fake blood on hands, face and even the whole body has been used by protesters/activists forever?

Shirt reads "NEU kills" and he shows blood on his hands. If you only see one thing then you are in the EC.

Now since you won't answer the question I will. No, the protesters in the picture I posted were not calling for the killing of Jews.

Hands *up* covered in blood means one thing and one thing only. When a Jewish politician dressed up on Purim as an NBA player in blackface people didn't say, "he didn't know it had negative connotations, he obviously had something else in mind. But now that you know, don't do that again." They said it was impossible he couldn't know and even if he didn't know, it's such basic knowledge he was treated as though it was intentionally racist.

Even if pro Palestine protestors don't know at the outset what the signs and chants mean, there has been enough talk for long enough that if they don't know now it is willful ignorance. The protestors were absolutely pro Hamas, pro terrorism, not just pro Palestinian people. Which is literally calling for the killing of Jews.


Now since you won't answer the question I will. No, the protesters in the picture I posted were not calling for the killing of Jews.

Who was behind coordinating those people to be there? I guarantee you it was an organization or two just like SJP was the driving force behind the encampment protests. There is ZERO chance the organizers didn't know what that symbol meant, they know EXACTLY what it means. So even if some individuals in the photo didn't know (and again, using the standards we use for any other type of racism they would be culpable anyway), the organizers did and a good portion of them also did.

They are calling for killing of Jews. They just couch it in soft terms like "We're calling for resistance against Zionists." But when you ask what forms of resistance are valid, everything is included, including raping women at a music festival.

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Everyone made their points. We can move on.
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WOW! just wow

The most reasonable and eloquently spoken person was the Neturei Karta guy. That should tell you everything.

Also, at least in this instance, this is a very manipulated crowd. There is absolutely no way these are "student" protests.


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Unfair question imo, his personal choice of audience to educate isn’t relevant to the points he makes. Besides, it’s a full time job.
Actually it is a fair question. Just by asking it shows me what he thinks.
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“Are anti-Jewish students not worth protecting ?”🤡

https://twitter.com/RichardHanania/status/1788207194950783171

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“Are anti-Jewish students not worth protecting ?”🤡

https://twitter.com/RichardHanania/status/1788207194950783171
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if you don't give (pal) bloody hands the same wide berth you give a noose or a burning cross
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ETA: sorry, posted this before i saw
Everyone made their points. We can move on.
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Breaking:

FIRST ON FOX: A new House Republican bill would send any person charged and convicted for illegal activity on a college campus to Gaza for at least six months.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/college-anti-israel-agitators-could-be-sent-to-gaza-under-new-house-gop-bill/ar-BB1m2Qjf

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Breaking:

FIRST ON FOX: A new House Republican bill would send any person charged and convicted for illegal activity on a college campus to Gaza for at least six months.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/college-anti-israel-agitators-could-be-sent-to-gaza-under-new-house-gop-bill/ar-BB1m2Qjf
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ETA: sorry, posted this before i saw
You didn't have the option to delete?  :)
No problem, the points are 100% clear.
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They have to go to Mar-a-Lago for 6 months.
Ok so after they have been fully indoctrinated can we ship them out?
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