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Re: Cheap Tickets to Israel - PRICE MISTAKE (maybe)!
« Reply #480 on: August 08, 2012, 03:04:42 PM »
wow this story is really getting huge, CNN just called me also.

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Re: Cheap Tickets to Israel - PRICE MISTAKE (maybe)!
« Reply #481 on: August 08, 2012, 03:14:16 PM »
wow this story is really getting huge, CNN just called me also.
Why dont you tell them to presure elal to give an answer?
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Re: Cheap Tickets to Israel - PRICE MISTAKE (maybe)!
« Reply #482 on: August 08, 2012, 03:28:32 PM »
Why dont you tell them to presure elal to give an answer?

I did they said they cant get anything out of them

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Re: Cheap Tickets to Israel - PRICE MISTAKE (maybe)!
« Reply #483 on: August 08, 2012, 03:36:37 PM »
I did they said they cant get anything out of them

@ELALUSA
Thanks for your patience. Details/ decisions re incorrect fares that were briefly sold on Monday are not finalized. We will update tomorrow.


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Re: Cheap Tickets to Israel - PRICE MISTAKE (maybe)!
« Reply #484 on: August 08, 2012, 03:51:28 PM »
@ELALUSA
Thanks for your patience. Details/ decisions re incorrect fares that were briefly sold on Monday are not finalized. We will update tomorrow.



That sucks they are so desperate to not be liable for there mistake

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Re: Cheap Tickets to Israel - PRICE MISTAKE (maybe)!
« Reply #485 on: August 08, 2012, 04:33:19 PM »
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Re: Cheap Tickets to Israel - PRICE MISTAKE (maybe)!
« Reply #486 on: August 08, 2012, 04:44:30 PM »
I think I will SUE them for my time

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Re: Cheap Tickets to Israel - PRICE MISTAKE (maybe)!
« Reply #487 on: August 08, 2012, 04:51:47 PM »
Check out the last section in this official DOT document ---- seems to bode well for us.

http://airconsumer.dot.gov/rules/EAPP_2_FAQ_01-11-2012final.pdf

EDIT: Though there is no mention of penalties...
« Last Edit: August 08, 2012, 04:55:23 PM by Hyshai »

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Re: Cheap Tickets to Israel - PRICE MISTAKE (maybe)!
« Reply #488 on: August 08, 2012, 04:56:08 PM »
lol
"it is an unfair and deceptive practice for any seller of scheduled air transportation within, to, or from the United States, .. to increase the price of that air transportation to a consumer after the air transportation has been purchased by the consumer, except in the case of a government-imposed tax or fee"


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Re: Cheap Tickets to Israel - PRICE MISTAKE (maybe)!
« Reply #489 on: August 08, 2012, 04:56:56 PM »
lol
"it is an unfair and deceptive practice for any seller of scheduled air transportation within, to, or from the United States, .. to increase the price of that air transportation to a consumer after the air transportation has been purchased by the consumer, except in the case of a government-imposed tax or fee"




And ElAl being a government entity?

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Re: Cheap Tickets to Israel - PRICE MISTAKE (maybe)!
« Reply #490 on: August 08, 2012, 04:59:25 PM »
lol
"it is an unfair and deceptive practice for any seller of scheduled air transportation within, to, or from the United States, .. to increase the price of that air transportation to a consumer after the air transportation has been purchased by the consumer, except in the case of a government-imposed tax or fee"

Fuel surcharges are not "government-imposed."
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Re: Cheap Tickets to Israel - PRICE MISTAKE (maybe)!
« Reply #491 on: August 08, 2012, 05:05:13 PM »
Quote
Therefore, if
a consumer purchases a fare and that consumer receives confirmation (such as a confirmation email and/or
the purchase appears on their credit card statement or online account summary) of their purchase, then the
seller of air transportation cannot increase the price of that air transportation to that consumer, even when the
fare is a “mistake.” 
A contract of carriage provision that reserves the right to cancel such ticketed purchases or reserves the right
to raise the fare cannot legalize the practice described above.  The Enforcement Office would consider any
contract of carriage provision that attempts to relieve a carrier of the prohibition against post-purchase price
increase to be an unfair and deceptive practice in violation of 49 U.S.C. § 41712.

So can those who used Cheapoair or priceline that got canceled on report priceline to the DOT?
« Last Edit: August 08, 2012, 05:16:54 PM by MarkS »

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Re: Cheap Tickets to Israel - PRICE MISTAKE (maybe)!
« Reply #492 on: August 08, 2012, 05:05:35 PM »
And ElAl being a government entity?

El Al was fully privatized in 2007. It is a corporation and the government is a minority shareholder.

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Re: Cheap Tickets to Israel - PRICE MISTAKE (maybe)!
« Reply #493 on: August 08, 2012, 05:22:47 PM »
Any hotel deals in Israel for Thanksgiving weekend? Anyone else going that weekend?

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Re: Cheap Tickets to Israel - PRICE MISTAKE (maybe)!
« Reply #494 on: August 08, 2012, 05:27:20 PM »
did anyone else notice that the nyp article url link says 'festival of flights' - nice wording

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/festival_of_flights_2sLECxnYkDxGft8sl9PbfO

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Re: Cheap Tickets to Israel - PRICE MISTAKE (maybe)!
« Reply #495 on: August 08, 2012, 05:40:36 PM »
Suppose El Al cancels the tickets and refunds all charges. For people who have called up and added lap-seat tickets for infants, do you think that money would be fully refunded without any penalties?

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Re: Cheap Tickets to Israel - PRICE MISTAKE (maybe)!
« Reply #496 on: August 08, 2012, 07:07:13 PM »
A big Rav which is a Rosh Beis Din in a big B"D was telling Monsay to all people asking him, that this was "Tu'us Yisroel", which was not prohibited according to the gemara and Sulchan Aruch.

BUT, after they announced that this fare was a third party error, and is not their loss, he told everyone, that there is nothing what to worry, and is no longer our obligation to go after this anymore "Tu'us Acum", and we also have no obligation to find out if the third party was a goy or not.

Not sure, why nobody mentioned this point in their halacha analysis.

With the world press reporting this story and i am sure plenty of acum coming here b'tu'us you may want to think before you write stuff like this

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Re: Cheap Tickets to Israel - PRICE MISTAKE (maybe)!
« Reply #497 on: August 08, 2012, 07:39:00 PM »
A big Rav which is a Rosh Beis Din in a big B"D was telling Monsay to all people asking him, that this was "Tu'us Yisroel", which was not prohibited according to the gemara and Sulchan Aruch.

BUT, after they announced that this fare was a third party error, and is not their loss, he told everyone, that there is nothing what to worry, and is no longer our obligation to go after this anymore "Tu'us Acum", and we also have no obligation to find out if the third party was a goy or not.

Not sure, why nobody mentioned this point in their halacha analysis.

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Re: Cheap Tickets to Israel - PRICE MISTAKE (maybe)!
« Reply #498 on: August 08, 2012, 08:48:30 PM »
With the world press reporting this story and i am sure plenty of acum coming here b'tu'us you may want to think before you write stuff like this

Freedom of speech-yes but not smart speech on a public forum.

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Re: Cheap Tickets to Israel - PRICE MISTAKE (maybe)!
« Reply #499 on: August 08, 2012, 09:28:25 PM »
El Al was fully privatized in 2007. It is a corporation and the government is a minority shareholder.

For the time being they are. Decent chance they'll become a gov entity again in the next few years.