CV's Copy - ISRAEL-HAMAS

[aygart]

and it is up to 4 likes.

I doubt those are about that line but rather his overall point. Without that line I may have liked it it too and I could have easily missed it had I skimmed it quicker. Either way, there is no question that many posts there tonight are out of emotion and outrage.

[Yehuda57]

1 - It was just two posts from the last few minutes. There are numerous posts just like them. They need to be called out just like the hate speech or it gets out of hand. We are now past the point of no return, and it is considered acceptable. 2 - You make valid points.

That thread is moving too fast, I haven't kept track of everything people are saying. But it's a highly emotional topic, and people feel he is backstabbing Israel, legitimately so. I have a cousin fighting in Raffah right now. The idea that America is going to withhold weapons that Congress already approved and potentially put his life at even greater risk... Let's just say that doesn't make me a happy camper.

[aygart]

Some comments are so over the top and hyperbolic people ignore rather than respond. Biden's policies right now are maddeningly stupid and empowering Hamas, but obviously he's not all of a sudden a lover of Hamas. He's making a grave mistake.

But he absolutely is acting with the most extreme elements of his party and following the lead of the openly anti-semitic elements. I don't think he is an anti-semite but he is being their useful idiot.

[CountValentine]

That thread is moving too fast, I haven't kept track of everything people are saying. But it's a highly emotional topic, and people feel he is backstabbing Israel, legitimately so. I have a cousin fighting in Raffah right now. The idea that America is going to withhold weapons that Congress already approved and potentially put his life at even greater risk... Let's just say that doesn't make me a happy camper.

You really think Israel is out of these bombs? This is a stupid game being played that should have never been made public.

Israel is not going into Raffah with the hope the US will deliver ammunition/bombs. Let's be real.

[aygart]

This is a stupid game being played that should have never been done

FTFY. It doesn't change the metrics on the ground and does nothing but stab the ally in the back and embolden the terrorists.

[CountValentine]

But he absolutely is acting with the most extreme elements of his party and following the lead of the openly anti-semitic elements. I don't think he is an anti-semite but he is being their useful idiot.

He has not changed. From day one he was concerned about civilians. When the bombs were launched by Iran he stepped in 100%. That is the ironclad he is talking about. Carrying out offensive strikes is not part of the ironclad.

Now I don't see this ever happening. If Israel was attacked and needed boots on the ground from the US he would send them in a heartbeat.

[avromie7]

You really think Israel is out of these bombs? This is a stupid game being played that should have never been made public.

Israel is not going into Raffah with the hope the US will deliver ammunition/bombs. Let's be real.

If they can't get more precision munitions, they need to ration the ones they have. That means more dumb bombs killing more Palestinian civilians.

[CountValentine]

FTFY.

No the US should and has every right to apply pressure. You don't do it in public.
If the roles were reversed (Israel being big brother) they would do the same.

[aygart]

He has not changed. From day one he was concerned about civilians. When the bombs were launched by Iran he stepped in 100%. That is the ironclad he is talking about. Carrying out offensive strikes is not part of the ironclad.

Now I don't see this ever happening. If Israel was attacked and needed boots on the ground from the US he would send them in a heartbeat.

I'm sorry but to allow an enemy who did what Hamas did to live to fight another day and end the war without even getting back the hostages is not ironclad. He wouldn't let Israel be destroyed but is doing his best to prevent them from actually being secure. Over the long term this does not even benefit the civilians. This is exactly the reason that they embed among civilians and he is teaching them how beneficial it is to continue doing it.

[CountValentine]

If they can't get more precision munitions, they need to ration the ones they have.

That is what they say but is it the case?

That means more dumb bombs killing more Palestinian civilians.

If they have a plan to move civilians then they won't be killed.

[aygart]

And the eagle,
High above so far away
Said it’s in my best interest
To see the small tree stay.
No, it need not thrive like I,
But why not let it stay alive.

Though storm and wind may come,
I’ll bend but never break
And like all those before me
I’ll stay true to my faith.
That soon will come a day
When all will gather ‘neath my shade.

[avromie7]

That is what they say but is it the case?If they have a plan to move civilians then they won't be killed.

I have no idea whats in their stockpiles, but the fact that they were being replenished tells me they need more. If they know they aren't getting more, they need to ration them and put Israeli interests over palestinian civilians interests when deciding where to use them.

The UN said they aren't moving, do you think every last civilian will leave before they launch an offensive? Additionally, with the amount of pressure the US os applying, they may need to move fast and not leave enough time for all civilians to evacuate.

[CountValentine]

I'm sorry but to allow an enemy who did what Hamas did to live to fight another day and end the war without even getting back the hostages is not ironclad.

This is not true. He wants and is trying to get the hostages.

The biggest obstacle to the hostages is Israel. They can't give what Hamas wants, the end to the war.
All they will give is a temporary cease fire. How can you expect to negotiate with Hamas when the last line is we are going to kill everyone one of you no matter what.

I understand and agree they MUST eliminate Hamas but that is the reality.

[aygart]

This is not true. He wants and is trying to get the hostages.

The biggest obstacle to the hostages is Israel. They can't give what Hamas wants, the end to the war.
All they will give is a temporary cease fire. How can you expect to negotiate with Hamas when the last line is we are going to kill everyone one of you no matter what.

I understand and agree they MUST eliminate Hamas but that is the reality.

Hamas has not yet had any offer that included all hostages currently alive returned alive.

[Yehuda57]

You really think Israel is out of these bombs? This is a stupid game being played that should have never been made public.

Israel is not going into Raffah with the hope the US will deliver ammunition/bombs. Let's be real.

Speak to people in the idf. The shortage is 100% real and immediate.

American Jews sent tens of millions (yes, that is not exaggerated) worth of military equipment to Israel following Oct 7th. If they didn't have enough bullet proof vests for all the reservists, you can be sure they don't have enough of the most expensive precision bombs.

[CountValentine]

Hamas has not yet had any offer that included all hostages currently alive returned alive.

We all know it doesn't matter.
They could return ever hostage and Israel still won't/can't give them what they want.
Maybe after they are done in Raffah they can but as of know they can't.
Do I have it right?

[aygart]

We all know it doesn't matter.
They could return ever hostage and Israel still won't/can't give them what they want.
Maybe after they are done in Raffah they can but as of know they can't.
Do I have it right?

What is the way Hamas is most likely to feel they can wiggle themselves out of of elimination?

[CountValentine]

What is the way Hamas is most likely to feel they can wiggle themselves out of of elimination?

Return all hostages for an end to the war. That is the only chance they have. Israel is not going to go for it.
If they think Biden is going to save them, they are mistaken.
If they think Biden can tell Israel what to do, they are mistaken.

[aygart]

Return all hostages for an end to the war. That is the only chance they have.
If they think Biden is going to save them, they are mistaken.
If they think Biden can tell Israel what to do, they are mistaken.

I agree but I don't think they feel this way and these actions by Biden reinforce their position.

[UKinNYS]

The biggest obstacle to the hostages is Israel. They can't give what Hamas wants, the end to the war.
All they will give is a temporary cease fire. How can you expect to negotiate with Hamas when the last line is we are going to kill everyone one of you no matter what.

wrong, hamas has ability to flee thru tunnels from Rafah to Egypt this is the main reason israel held off until now in fact we don't know for sure if sinwar is still in gaza.

There are major geopolitical wranglings going on behind the scenes, One major issues is the Egyptian complicity not to mention the million$$ they took in bribes from Hamas /Gazans for smuggling including weapons which will all come to light if Israel takes over completely. various different actors are all allying together to protect the varying interests..