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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #2500 on: October 20, 2023, 01:06:26 AM »
Interesting thread by an Israeli (?) Christian Arab (IINM son of South Lebanon Army people who were resettled in Israel when it withdrew from Lebanon). He says (which I suspected to an extent) that the "intercepted conversation" regarding the misfire is fake as it uses a Hebron dialect (we might find out one day the real story of this "conversation", he says it might be Hamas trying to fool the Israelis). Yet he claims that the "knock on roof" approach and ratio of destroyed buildings to human life casualties proves that Israel never targets civilians and does everything to avoid them.

https://twitter.com/kingoflevant6/status/1715080237388640314
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #2501 on: October 20, 2023, 01:11:01 AM »
A database of terrorist sympathizers https://www.operationvigilance.ai

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #2502 on: October 20, 2023, 01:13:18 AM »
It's beyond me why this point isn't constantly brought up whenever anyone talks about the terrible "hospital bombing"

https://twitter.com/mishtal/status/1714946549711581697
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #2503 on: October 20, 2023, 01:49:26 AM »
שמעתי שיש שמנסים למצוא חלילה קשר בין המסיבה ברֵעים לטבח הנורא שהתרחש באותה מסיבה. הקשר דתי כביכול, שתולה ומוצא הסבר וצידוק דתי חס ושלום ל״עונש״ שמגיע אולי למשתתפים.

כעת נחשף הסיפור האמיתי!

****

בשמחת תורה, לפני שבעים שנה, התקיימה בסמוך לבית מדרשו של הרבי מלובביץ׳ מסיבה!

היו ריקודים, חגיגה ושמחה.
מבחינת המשתתפים (היהודים) הייתה זו מסיבה ככל המסיבות.
אין לה קשר לשמחת תורה, ואף ההיפך… זו מסיבה לא דתית ולא ׳כשרה׳.

הרבי ישב בתוך בית המדרש, בהתוועדות, בעיצומו של יום קדוש כיום שמחת תורה והתחיל להסביר מה באמת קורה שם בחוץ:

הבעל שם טוב אומר שכשאדם חש רעב או חשק למשהו, זו לא באמת הנפש הבהמית והגוף שרוצים את המשהו. זו הנפש האלוקית שמזהה ניצוץ אלוקי שנמצא בתוך המשהו, והיא מזהה שזה תפקידה כעת לתקן ולגלות את האלוקי הזה - כדי שתהיה לה האפשרות לעשות זאת, היא גורמת לגוף הגשמי לחוש חשק לאותו משהו, הגוף אוכל וחושב שזה בגלל הרעב בבטן, ולא יודע שהרעב בבטן מקורו ברעב נשמתי (זה יכול להיות גם לשלילה, הרעב נועד כדי להתגבר עליו, במקרה של אוכל לא כשר וכדומה).

אמר הרבי: אותם יהודים שרוקדים עכשיו בחוץ במסיבה, הם *חושבים* שהם הגיעו אליה כי בא להם לרקוד ולהתפרק. הם *לא יודעים* שבאמת הנשמה שלהם רצתה לרקוד בשמחת תורה - החשק הזה עבר מייד לגוף.
הגוף, משום שהוא גשמי ונחות, מסוגל להוציא את זה לפועל בתור ריקוד לא כשר ולא קדוש. אבל האמת שמאחורי החגיגה היא הנשמה היהודית שרקדה בשמחת תורה.

****

אני חושב שאין מה להוסיף בכלל.

שלושת אלפים יהודים ויהודיות רקדו בשמחת תורה במסיבה בקיבוץ רעים (המילה רֵעים מזכירה את ״שַׂמֵּחַ תְּשַׂמַּח רֵעִים אֲהוּבִים״, המילים שמדברות על החתן והכלה תחת חופתם, מה שכמובן יכול להתפרש בהקשר הזה כמדבר על החתן-הקב״ה והכלה-היהודים).

שלושת אלפים נשמות שהתגעגעו כל כך לרקוד ולחגוג בשמחת התורה! הם חגגו ושמחו ומתוך השמחה הזו הגיעו בני בליעל והעלו אותם על המוקד. על קידוש השם.

השם יקום דמם! במהרה נחגוג ונרקוד איתם בשמחת הגאולה השלמה שתבוא בקרוב ממש על ידי משיח צדקנו.

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #2504 on: October 20, 2023, 01:54:02 AM »
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #2505 on: October 20, 2023, 02:50:13 AM »
= ניסים וניסים וניסים וניסים וניסים and on and on

RYB, Leil Tisha B'Av 5777, said (note: paraphrased from memory),
There is a beautiful posuk in Eicha, "Chasdei Hashem Ki Lo Somnu Kil Lo Cholu Rachamav." We don't find that we lein it in a different tune than the rest of Eicha. What was Yirmiyahu complaining about when he said this?
The problem was that throughout the process that lead to the destruction of the Beis Hamikdash, the nissim didn't stop. Amazing yeshuos were occuring constantly. People looked at the nissim and said, "Hashem still loves us!" Then they ignored the fact that Hashem had also sent the NEED for those nissim.
We can't ignore the thousands of rockets and simply think, "Well, they aren't hitting anybody." We have to remember that Hashem also sent the rockets...
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #2506 on: October 20, 2023, 03:02:55 AM »
שמעתי שיש שמנסים למצוא חלילה קשר בין המסיבה ברֵעים לטבח הנורא שהתרחש באותה מסיבה. הקשר דתי כביכול, שתולה ומוצא הסבר וצידוק דתי חס ושלום ל״עונש״ שמגיע אולי למשתתפים.

כעת נחשף הסיפור האמיתי!

****

בשמחת תורה, לפני שבעים שנה, התקיימה בסמוך לבית מדרשו של הרבי מלובביץ׳ מסיבה!

היו ריקודים, חגיגה ושמחה.
מבחינת המשתתפים (היהודים) הייתה זו מסיבה ככל המסיבות.
אין לה קשר לשמחת תורה, ואף ההיפך… זו מסיבה לא דתית ולא ׳כשרה׳.

הרבי ישב בתוך בית המדרש, בהתוועדות, בעיצומו של יום קדוש כיום שמחת תורה והתחיל להסביר מה באמת קורה שם בחוץ:

הבעל שם טוב אומר שכשאדם חש רעב או חשק למשהו, זו לא באמת הנפש הבהמית והגוף שרוצים את המשהו. זו הנפש האלוקית שמזהה ניצוץ אלוקי שנמצא בתוך המשהו, והיא מזהה שזה תפקידה כעת לתקן ולגלות את האלוקי הזה - כדי שתהיה לה האפשרות לעשות זאת, היא גורמת לגוף הגשמי לחוש חשק לאותו משהו, הגוף אוכל וחושב שזה בגלל הרעב בבטן, ולא יודע שהרעב בבטן מקורו ברעב נשמתי (זה יכול להיות גם לשלילה, הרעב נועד כדי להתגבר עליו, במקרה של אוכל לא כשר וכדומה).

אמר הרבי: אותם יהודים שרוקדים עכשיו בחוץ במסיבה, הם *חושבים* שהם הגיעו אליה כי בא להם לרקוד ולהתפרק. הם *לא יודעים* שבאמת הנשמה שלהם רצתה לרקוד בשמחת תורה - החשק הזה עבר מייד לגוף.
הגוף, משום שהוא גשמי ונחות, מסוגל להוציא את זה לפועל בתור ריקוד לא כשר ולא קדוש. אבל האמת שמאחורי החגיגה היא הנשמה היהודית שרקדה בשמחת תורה.

****

אני חושב שאין מה להוסיף בכלל.

שלושת אלפים יהודים ויהודיות רקדו בשמחת תורה במסיבה בקיבוץ רעים (המילה רֵעים מזכירה את ״שַׂמֵּחַ תְּשַׂמַּח רֵעִים אֲהוּבִים״, המילים שמדברות על החתן והכלה תחת חופתם, מה שכמובן יכול להתפרש בהקשר הזה כמדבר על החתן-הקב״ה והכלה-היהודים).

שלושת אלפים נשמות שהתגעגעו כל כך לרקוד ולחגוג בשמחת התורה! הם חגגו ושמחו ומתוך השמחה הזו הגיעו בני בליעל והעלו אותם על המוקד. על קידוש השם.

השם יקום דמם! במהרה נחגוג ונרקוד איתם בשמחת הגאולה השלמה שתבוא בקרוב ממש על ידי משיח צדקנו.

It’s a beautiful thought but it applies to the עגל הזהב and all other tragic events in Tanach as well. These were certainly lost souls yearning for something meaningful to fill a lack in their lives. They genuinely wanted peace and love, and to connect with nature and themselves.

But trying to create this sort of equivocacy and implying that there was some form of holiness there and using the words קיבוץ רעים to somehow connect this to Hashem is a distortion. They were dancing to a giant Buddha, on a shabbos, high on meth, ecstasy and other heavy drugs, featuring גילוי עריות, many engaged in תועבה relationships or with non halachic Jews. It certainly is reasonable to look at the worst massacre in Eretz Yisrael in centuries (and the worst that כלל ישראל has seen in almost 80 years) taking place at a giant Avoda Zara celebration on Shabbos Simchas Torah and say this is NOT a coincidence.


Yes one can say that עריות and עבודה זרה are simply misplaced אהבה for Hashem, and there is truth to it. Yes, one can say that the yearning to be free from societies constraints, and to be high on drugs come from misplaced yearnings of the neshama that are subconsciously misinterpreted. But that is the underpinning of any aveira that any Jew ever did, from the עגל to the בעל, from the worst of the מלכי ישראל שאין להם חלק וכו׳ to the biggest פושעי ישראל in every דור.

In שמים there is certainty a לימוד זכות of רצוננו לעשות רצונך ומי מעכב שעור שבעיסה וכו׳. Here on earth we are horrified by the expression of absolute רע on this earth and the animal like creature of prey and cruelty human beings can become. We mourn and cry for the victims perhaps as those who died על קידוש השם.

We ח״ו don’t point with smug self satisfaction at the victims as if we are all good and they “had it coming to them”. We take it as a message meant for us and try to improve and strengthen our own areas that need improvement, particularly in areas above that apply to each of us in our own way. חילול שבת may not mean driving a car for us; it may mean needing to focus more on the קדושה of the day. Avoda Zara may mean working on putting our bitachon more in Hashem rather than our boss, connections, skill set, business acumen etc.

It’s also an opportune time to reach out to those who are far from Hashem with warmth and help them find their way back; as a result of the tragic event there is a התעוררות among many like there hasn’t been in some time.

The sentiment expressed above, however, is way off the mark.
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
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« Reply #2510 on: October 20, 2023, 05:23:37 AM »
It didn't work for the Egyptians.
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #2511 on: October 20, 2023, 07:21:46 AM »
It’s a beautiful thought but it applies to the עגל הזהב and all other tragic events in Tanach as well. These were certainly lost souls yearning for something meaningful to fill a lack in their lives. They genuinely wanted peace and love, and to connect with nature and themselves.

But trying to create this sort of equivocacy and implying that there was some form of holiness there and using the words קיבוץ רעים to somehow connect this to Hashem is a distortion. They were dancing to a giant Buddha, on a shabbos, high on meth, ecstasy and other heavy drugs, featuring גילוי עריות, many engaged in תועבה relationships or with non halachic Jews. It certainly is reasonable to look at the worst massacre in Eretz Yisrael in centuries (and the worst that כלל ישראל has seen in almost 80 years) taking place at a giant Avoda Zara celebration on Shabbos Simchas Torah and say this is NOT a coincidence.


Yes one can say that עריות and עבודה זרה are simply misplaced אהבה for Hashem, and there is truth to it. Yes, one can say that the yearning to be free from societies constraints, and to be high on drugs come from misplaced yearnings of the neshama that are subconsciously misinterpreted. But that is the underpinning of any aveira that any Jew ever did, from the עגל to the בעל, from the worst of the מלכי ישראל שאין להם חלק וכו׳ to the biggest פושעי ישראל in every דור.

In שמים there is certainty a לימוד זכות of רצוננו לעשות רצונך ומי מעכב שעור שבעיסה וכו׳. Here on earth we are horrified by the expression of absolute רע on this earth and the animal like creature of prey and cruelty human beings can become. We mourn and cry for the victims perhaps as those who died על קידוש השם.

We ח״ו don’t point with smug self satisfaction at the victims as if we are all good and they “had it coming to them”. We take it as a message meant for us and try to improve and strengthen our own areas that need improvement, particularly in areas above that apply to each of us in our own way. חילול שבת may not mean driving a car for us; it may mean needing to focus more on the קדושה of the day. Avoda Zara may mean working on putting our bitachon more in Hashem rather than our boss, connections, skill set, business acumen etc.

It’s also an opportune time to reach out to those who are far from Hashem with warmth and help them find their way back; as a result of the tragic event there is a התעוררות among many like there hasn’t been in some time.

The sentiment expressed above, however, is way off the mark.
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #2512 on: October 20, 2023, 07:44:29 AM »
as a result of the tragic event there is a התעוררות among many like there hasn’t been in some time.


Reminiscent somewhat of the התעוררות that came after the 6 day war, though at that point it seems to have been due to חסדים גלויים, whereas this time around it's a little more reminiscent of the type discussed in https://chabadlibrary.org/books/adhaam/maamarei/ku/7/index.htm
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The Israeli government on Friday approved emergency regulations that allow the closing of the office of Al Jazeera news channel in Israel.
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« Reply #2514 on: October 20, 2023, 08:12:54 AM »
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #2516 on: October 20, 2023, 08:22:34 AM »

So the Nazis massacred 1k Jews, ran back to their country and hid in the tunnels, interesting.
Do you really want to play down what the Nazis did?
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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #2517 on: October 20, 2023, 08:23:39 AM »
The govt. approved free hotels for kiryat shemona so they can evacuate. If they are paying for hotels for 20,000 people I assume they see a high probability of war in the north.
In other news there were a few very loud explosions heard in Bet Shemesh a few miutes ago. No siren.

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #2518 on: October 20, 2023, 08:26:46 AM »
So the Nazis massacred 1k Jews, ran back to their country and hid in the tunnels, interesting.
Do you really want to play down what the Nazis did?
Does one have to kill six million Jews to be called a Nazi? Five million? One million? What's the number?

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Re: ISRAEL-HAMAS SIMCHAT TORAH WAR NEWS AND DISCUSSION
« Reply #2519 on: October 20, 2023, 08:30:52 AM »
Does one have to kill six million Jews to be called a Nazi? Five million? One million? What's the number?
You don't have to kill anyone to be a Nazi. Why you would want to minimize what the Nazis did is beyond me.
I understand the point is to show that the two both want/wanted to kill all Jews, but it will not come across that way.

I have seen many reports that this tragedy equates to (pick a number) 9/11's. I am like, what are they talking about.
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