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What to buy a helpful hotel GM?
« on: February 04, 2012, 09:33:51 PM »
Any suggestions what to buy a hotel GM that has helped me out a number of times for upgrades for me or relatives?

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Re: Re: What to buy a helpful hotel GM?
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2012, 10:37:52 PM »
Any suggestions what to buy a hotel GM that has helped me out a number of times for upgrades for me or relatives?

Bottle of wine/liquor.
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Re: What to buy a helpful hotel GM?
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2012, 02:00:34 AM »
Bottle of wine/liquor.
Thanks. I know that's the standard answer, but doesn't it feel kind of weird, to give him a bottle, after the hotel gave you a bottle in your room?
What type of wine do you buy? I feel it should be substantial

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Re: What to buy a helpful hotel GM?
« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2012, 05:10:53 AM »
Wine (non kosher) is halachacly problematic I believe.

Get him some pralines (not ones that are given out in this hotel (!))

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Re: What to buy a helpful hotel GM?
« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2012, 05:42:04 AM »
+1,since giving non kosher foods(like meat and fish)is assur lekulei alma,yayin stam is also assur lechumrah,better go with something kosher.IME non jews love the kosher stuff!

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Re: What to buy a helpful hotel GM?
« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2012, 05:59:00 AM »
IME non jews love the kosher stuff!
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Re: What to buy a helpful hotel GM?
« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2012, 05:59:43 AM »
Does he smoke?

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Re: What to buy a helpful hotel GM?
« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2012, 06:46:58 AM »
+1,since giving non kosher foods(like meat and fish)is assur lekulei alma
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Re: What to buy a helpful hotel GM?
« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2012, 08:49:38 AM »
http://www.torah.org/advanced/weekly-halacha/5765/vayechi.html#
Gonna have to look up his sources. Neveilos and treifos are not assur bhana. There are very few issurim that are assur bhana
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Re: What to buy a helpful hotel GM?
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Re: What to buy a helpful hotel GM?
« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2012, 10:50:54 AM »
Any suggestions what to buy a hotel GM that has helped me out a number of times for upgrades for me or relatives?

How much do you plan to spend on a gift?

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Re: What to buy a helpful hotel GM?
« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2012, 11:13:35 AM »
Thanks. I know that's the standard answer, but doesn't it feel kind of weird, to give him a bottle, after the hotel gave you a bottle in your room?
What type of wine do you buy? I feel it should be substantial
Never been to a hotel that gave me a nice bottle of scotch in the room.
I have gotten a nice bottle of scotch at a hotel bar for free, but never in the room...
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Re: What to buy a helpful hotel GM?
« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2012, 01:14:06 PM »
Gonna have to look up his sources. Neveilos and treifos are not assur bhana. There are very few issurim that are assur bhana
You're right, it is an issue. You're not allowed to buy food that is vadai assur mdeoraisa to give as a present even to a goy.

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Re: What to buy a helpful hotel GM?
« Reply #14 on: February 06, 2012, 01:40:38 AM »
Thanks guys. I went with a chocolate assortment+wine. ALL KOSHER

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Re: What to buy a helpful hotel GM?
« Reply #15 on: February 06, 2012, 03:56:00 AM »
Never been to a hotel that gave me a nice bottle of scotch in the room.
I have gotten a nice bottle of scotch at a hotel bar for free, but never in the room...
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Re: What to buy a helpful hotel GM?
« Reply #16 on: February 06, 2012, 12:43:40 PM »
Save your time, I don't answer PM. Post it in the forum and a dedicated DDF'er will get back to you as soon as possible.

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Re: What to buy a helpful hotel GM?
« Reply #17 on: February 06, 2012, 02:25:17 PM »
You're right, it is an issue. You're not allowed to buy food that is vadai assur mdeoraisa to give as a present even to a goy.

But a bottle of wine isn't vadai assur, it's stam yeinam (AFAIK) which you shouldn't drink, but I don't know that it's assur behanah.
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Re: What to buy a helpful hotel GM?
« Reply #18 on: February 06, 2012, 02:30:48 PM »
But a bottle of wine isn't vadai assur, it's stam yeinam (AFAIK) which you shouldn't drink, but I don't know that it's assur behanah.
The issue isn't hanaa. As I said there are few issurim that are I"H (Basa bchalav, chometz, and yayan nesech are the only ones I can think of offhand). The issue is schora in ochel that is assur bachila alone, even if it's not assur bhana. Sechora includes gifts, payment, and feeding workers (including if a jew is running a nursing home/school for non-jews and wishes to feed the residents/students non-kosher). Stam yaynom is only drabanan, but has different halachos, so I have no clue if it falls under the same category, or has different rules.

You can check up YD 117 for more info, but I didn't have the time/effort to research in too much detail.
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