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Re: How did the Meron tragedy unfold?
« Reply #220 on: May 05, 2021, 01:48:09 PM »

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Re: How did the Meron tragedy unfold?
« Reply #221 on: May 05, 2021, 02:17:09 PM »
Wish they released this footage earlier
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Re: How did the Meron tragedy unfold?
« Reply #222 on: May 05, 2021, 02:22:38 PM »
Wish they released this footage earlier
They couldn't - tHe wIReS wERe cUt.

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Re: How did the Meron tragedy unfold?
« Reply #223 on: May 05, 2021, 02:30:37 PM »
Well then. Open and shut.
Can you summarize for those who can't watch the link?

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Re: How did the Meron tragedy unfold?
« Reply #224 on: May 05, 2021, 02:31:49 PM »
Can you summarize for those who can't watch the link?

3 cops showed up about 3 minutes from initial crowd crush/collapse trying to help people who fell in the front. Serious police force only shows up about 11 minutes after the initial collapse.
« Last Edit: May 05, 2021, 02:35:08 PM by ExGingi »
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Re: How did the Meron tragedy unfold?
« Reply #225 on: May 05, 2021, 02:58:05 PM »
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why is the build up not being released
it goes from empty to crowded in such a short time
did everyone just suddenly decide to leave all at once?

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Re: How did the Meron tragedy unfold?
« Reply #226 on: May 05, 2021, 03:22:34 PM »
did everyone just suddenly decide to leave all at once?

Most people left the hadlaka at the same time
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Re: How did the Meron tragedy unfold?
« Reply #227 on: May 05, 2021, 04:46:13 PM »
did everyone just suddenly decide to leave all at once?
For some reason many decided to leave at the same time while it’s still going strong & the Rebbe is still there dancing.

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Re: How did the Meron tragedy unfold?
« Reply #228 on: May 05, 2021, 04:47:34 PM »
For some reason many decided to leave at the same time while it’s still going strong & the Rebbe is still there dancing.

He had just finished the actual lighting

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Re: How did the Meron tragedy unfold?
« Reply #229 on: May 05, 2021, 04:50:41 PM »
He had just finished the actual lighting
Does that exit lead to Toldos Avrohom Yitzchak ?

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Re: How did the Meron tragedy unfold?
« Reply #230 on: May 05, 2021, 04:53:47 PM »
For some reason many decided to leave at the same time while it’s still going strong & the Rebbe is still there dancing.
Are you implying that all those people weren't really leaving?

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Re: How did the Meron tragedy unfold?
« Reply #231 on: May 05, 2021, 05:09:21 PM »
Are you implying that all those people weren't really leaving?
Only a fraction exited. Most of the oilam was still there dancing.

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Re: How did the Meron tragedy unfold?
« Reply #232 on: May 05, 2021, 05:14:23 PM »
Only a fraction exited. Most of the oilam was still there dancing.

Which is why there was only one Toldos Aharon victim, his chassidim would have stayrd until the end.

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Re: How did the Meron tragedy unfold?
« Reply #233 on: May 05, 2021, 05:15:27 PM »
Does that exit lead to Toldos Avrohom Yitzchak ?

General direction, yes. Toldos Avrohom Yitzchak had long finished, they started at 9:30.

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Re: How did the Meron tragedy unfold?
« Reply #234 on: May 05, 2021, 07:03:40 PM »
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i didn't know until seeing this video that there was a hand rail down the middle of the steps
which i imagine made things much more difficult for everyone involved
i guess it was completely broken or removed because i haven't seen it in any photos or videos from after the incident
 

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Re: How did the Meron tragedy unfold?
« Reply #235 on: May 05, 2021, 07:15:56 PM »
i didn't know until seeing this video that there was a hand rail down the middle of the steps
which i imagine made things much more difficult for everyone involved
i guess it was completely broken or removed because i haven't seen it in any photos or videos from after the incident
It was crushed and uprooted that night and removed in the morning.

The hand rail was there for good reason - the whole story snowballed from somebody who slipped down the steps...
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Re: How did the Meron tragedy unfold?
« Reply #236 on: May 05, 2021, 07:20:22 PM »
i didn't know until seeing this video that there was a hand rail down the middle of the steps
which i imagine made things much more difficult for everyone involved
i guess it was completely broken or removed because i haven't seen it in any photos or videos from after the incident

This is what the hand rail on the ramp looked liked the next morning.


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Re: How did the Meron tragedy unfold?
« Reply #237 on: May 05, 2021, 07:23:53 PM »
This is what the hand rail on the ramp looked liked the next morning.

Is this handrail on the steps?

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Re: How did the Meron tragedy unfold?
« Reply #238 on: May 05, 2021, 07:28:25 PM »
Is this handrail on the steps?
No, this is on the ramp leading to the steps.

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Re: How did the Meron tragedy unfold?
« Reply #239 on: May 05, 2021, 07:37:15 PM »
No, this is on the ramp leading to the steps.
Doh, missed that