US Politics/2016 Election Pick Your Poison Master Thread

[good sam]

MSM Exercise: Who can spot the difference between the headline and the actual Flynn quote?

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/22/politics/kfile-michael-flynn-august-speech/index.html

[ExGingi]

+1

Now that's an endorsement!

At the rate Dan has been going, you'll have candidates clamoring for his +1 four years from now!

[JTZ]

Now that's an endorsement!

At the rate Dan has been going, you'll have candidates clamoring for his +1 four years from now!

I have also received a PM in the past from the great one. I feel like a pig in you know what. 

[Yehuda57]

The only problem is Trump got the dummy vote this time. So what does that tell you?

source?

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/education-not-income-predicted-who-would-vote-for-trump/

[aygart]

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/education-not-income-predicted-who-would-vote-for-trump/

Does not being college educated mean they are dummies?

[JTZ]

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/education-not-income-predicted-who-would-vote-for-trump/

He was aware of the source. That is why I didn't respond.

[JTZ]

Does not being college educated mean they are dummies?

That's what it was when they voted for Obama. You can't have it both ways.

[aygart]

That's what it was when they voted for Obama. You can't have it both ways.

Who attributed it to that? If you mean Limbaugh's low-information voter that is not a statement on cognitive abilities but of their interest in the issues.

[Yehuda57]

Does not being college educated mean they are dummies?

Of course not. And you know that I know that. You are being purposefully dishonest, just as you were with this comment:

It is amazing how the same people who said not to vote for trump because of the things he said he was going to do are now saying how he won't do any of those things.

[good sam]

Of course not. And you know that I know that. You are being purposefully dishonest, just as you were with this comment:

What did he say that was dishonest?
Or assuming you really meant to say disingenuous, what did he say that was disingenuous?

[ExGingi]

I have also received a PM in the past from the great one. I feel like a pig in you know what. 

Talking of which in this forum, here's a brief cultural taste: http://conversationalyiddish.com/a-taste-of-yiddish-3-44/ 

[skyguy918]

MSM Exercise: Who can spot the difference between the headline and the actual Flynn quote?

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/22/politics/kfile-michael-flynn-august-speech/index.html

Please tell me it's not '1.7 billion people' vs 'all Muslims'.

[good sam]

Please tell me it's not '1.7 billion people' vs 'all Muslims'.

No.

The headline sounds as if each individual Muslim has the Islamist cancer that must be excised. What he actually said likened the $1.7BB people to a body in which there is a growing cancer.

His words are not even slightly controversial. Only the CNN headline is.

ETA: Compare "vicious cancer in body of all Muslims" with "vicious cancer inside the body of 1.7 billion people." The difference is subtle but profound, and it's not an accident.

[JTZ]

Talking of which in this forum, here's a brief cultural taste: http://conversationalyiddish.com/a-taste-of-yiddish-3-44/ 

Lets leave Trump out of this.   

[yuneeq]

No.

The headline sounds as if each individual Muslim has the Islamist cancer that must be excised. What he actually said likened the $1.7BB people to a body in which there is a growing cancer.

His words are not even slightly controversial. Only the CNN headline is.

ETA: Compare "vicious cancer in body of all Muslims" with "vicious cancer inside the body of 1.7 billion people." The difference is subtle but profound, and it's not an accident.

It's still up for interpretation, because it can mean that 1.7b have cancer inside them, the way he said it. Body can mean "my body" or a "body of people".

[skyguy918]

No.

The headline sounds as if each individual Muslim has the Islamist cancer that must be excised. What he actually said likened the $1.7BB people to a body in which there is a growing cancer.

His words are not even slightly controversial. Only the CNN headline is.

ETA: Compare "vicious cancer in body of all Muslims" with "vicious cancer inside the body of 1.7 billion people." The difference is subtle but profound, and it's not an accident.

Oh brother. Listen, it's not impossible that his intention with those words was in line with your reading - which is why I agree that it's inappropriate to re-frame quotes in general - but I find their reading far more likely given the full quote (and speech) than yours. If anything, I find your interpretation easier to read into CNN's 'version' of the quote than the actual quote.

[good sam]

It's still up for interpretation, because it can mean that 1.7b have cancer inside them, the way he said it. Body can mean "my body" or a "body of people".

His words were "body of people." If he meant it the other way, he would have said "in the 'bodies' of 1.7 billion people."

It would be asinine to say the cancer is in the body of each and every Muslim, and the CNN reporter knows that.

[good sam]

Oh brother. Listen, it's not impossible that his intention with those words was in line with your reading - which is why I agree that it's inappropriate to re-frame quotes in general - but I find their reading far more likely given the full quote (and speech) than yours. If anything, I find your interpretation easier to read into CNN's 'version' of the quote than the actual quote.

You need to work on your critical reading skills.

CNN said: Cancer in the body of all Muslims. The only way to understand this is that each Muslim has the cancer.

Flynn said: Cancer inside the body of 1.7 billion people. Like Yuneeq said, "a body of people."

CNN deliberately (I suppose) misinterpreted his analogy.

[ExGingi]

No.

The headline sounds as if each individual Muslim has the Islamist cancer that must be excised. What he actually said likened the $1.7BB people to a body in which there is a growing cancer.

His words are not even slightly controversial. Only the CNN headline is.

ETA: Compare "vicious cancer in body of all Muslims" with "vicious cancer inside the body of 1.7 billion people." The difference is subtle but profound, and it's not an accident.

Did he actually say "inside the body of 1.7 billion people" or "inside a body of 1.7 billion people"? If anyone actually listened, please point out the point where he says that quote.

[skyguy918]

You need to work on your critical reading skills.

I practically learned how to learn a gemara with you, whose fault is that.

CNN said: Cancer in the body of all Muslims. The only way to understand this is that each Muslim has the cancer.

FTFY. The corrected phrasing is actually easier to understand your way (if only because headlines often omit articles - the part of speech). It's a cancer in a body. Which body? The body comprised of all Muslims. I of course agree with you that their intention is to show that Flynn is prejudiced against the entire religion.

Flynn said: Cancer inside the body of 1.7 billion people. Like Yuneeq said, "a body of people."

The inclusion of quantity (1.7 billion) makes that reading difficult. He could have said Islamism is a cancer in the body of Islam. Or in the body of the collective body of 1.7 billion people. Or a million other clearer ways.

I find it hard to believe that you truly only see one way to interpret his actual statement. It's poorly worded, and certainly vague enough to allow CNN's interpretation. I think for that very reason, it's irresponsible of CNN to choose the interpretation that fits their narrative. This is certainly not a particularly good example of this problem in the media though.

At the same time, if you ask me based on what I've read of his words, whether Flynn holds the viewpoint they ascribe to him, I'd guess that he does. I'm not particularly certain of it though, and honestly it wouldn't bother me all that much. But I do think you're playing the same linguistic games here that they are.