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Source of Shlissel Challah?
« on: April 05, 2013, 12:51:54 PM »
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Re: Source of Shlissel Challah?
« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2013, 01:00:31 PM »
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Re: Source of Shlissel Challah?
« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2013, 01:11:13 PM »
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Is this a true fact about the schlissle (key) challah?
« Reply #5 on: April 21, 2017, 05:15:17 PM »
Here is a great story from where schlissle (key) challah.
After Leil  Haseder, the Maharal from Prague was sitting and learning in his room at home; the key to the shul was with him, hung up in its place on the wall. The key suddenly fell to the ground. He picked it up and put it back on the hook. After it was hung up, it fell again. He picked it up once more. And then it fell a third time. This time he realized that From heaven he gets a message, so he went to check the shul. When he got there, he saw that the parochet was moved out of place. He opened the Aron Kodesh and saw, hidden inside the Aron, what looked like a bottle of wine. After opening it he realized it was a bottle of blood; the non Jews were trying to set up a blood libel against them! Quickly, he pulled out the bottle, poured out the blood and rinsed it. He then poured wine inside instead.

The next morning the goyim burst into shul with the police, yelling and screaming. They went straight to the Aron Kodesh – obviously they knew where to go – and pulled out the bottle. The community was very frightened but the Maharal was calm as he watched what happened next…the police opened it up and smelled it and it was only wine! They got very angry at the perpetrators and threw them in jail. Miraculously, the entire kehillah was saved. It was a huge hatzalah for the whole Jewish community.

Afterwards the Maharal wanted to do something to commemorate this special miracle. He knew that everyone bakes challah right after Pesach – especially in those years they had no other food besides the bread they made themselves – so he told his Rebbetzin to bake the challahs for that week, in the shape of a key.
Afterwards, it became part of Klal Israel and their Kehilla for every generation.
We also know that these ‘key challahs” symbolize the key to parnossa, as the Sefer Hatodah mentions.
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Re: Is this a true fact about the schlissle (key) challah?
« Reply #6 on: April 21, 2017, 05:23:14 PM »
I didn't read the story, but I'm sure that it's a bubbe meise.

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Re: Is this a true fact about the schlissle (key) challah?
« Reply #7 on: April 21, 2017, 05:31:16 PM »
a bubbe meise.

That's harsh.  Every culture has "folklore".  It's a nice story to give meaning to an activity that we do but don't really know why.  Or we do know why (ehem, pagans) but want to give it a jewish meaning. 

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Re: Is this a true fact about the schlissle (key) challah?
« Reply #8 on: April 21, 2017, 05:57:33 PM »
I didn't read the story, but I'm sure that it's a bubbe meise.
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the source to the whole thing is sefer hatodah, which is relatively recent, and no reliable if i remember correctly

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Re: Is this a true fact about the schlissle (key) challah?
« Reply #9 on: April 22, 2017, 09:33:58 PM »
Funny how that same story is in the Golem book with different facts.
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Re: Is this a true fact about the schlissle (key) challah?
« Reply #10 on: April 22, 2017, 10:23:21 PM »
There are many stories about the Maharal that aren't true, chief among them would be the golem of course.
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Re: Is this a true fact about the schlissle (key) challah?
« Reply #11 on: April 22, 2017, 10:28:25 PM »
There are many stories about the Maharal that aren't true, chief among them would be the golem of course.
the person who made them up also made up a story about the choshen being stolen in time of maharal.
clamis there was camera's then ;D

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Re: Is this a true fact about the schlissle (key) challah?
« Reply #12 on: April 22, 2017, 10:28:57 PM »
+1
the source to the whole thing is sefer hatodah, which is relatively recent, and no reliable if i remember correctly
correction, the apter rav said a nice thing to do

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Re: Is this a true fact about the schlissle (key) challah?
« Reply #13 on: April 22, 2017, 11:08:59 PM »
There are many stories about the Maharal that aren't true, chief among them would be the golem of course.

the person who made them up also made up a story about the choshen being stolen in time of maharal.
clamis there was camera's then ;D
He didn't make up the golem, he made up the stories, do your research it's a fascinating subject.
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Re: Is this a true fact about the schlissle (key) challah?
« Reply #14 on: April 22, 2017, 11:27:47 PM »
He didn't make up the golem, he made up the stories, do your research it's a fascinating subject.
true, in the velt there is speculation about that.
but as we know the rebbe said the story in 5710 about it...

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Re: Is this a true fact about the schlissle (key) challah?
« Reply #15 on: April 23, 2017, 12:04:02 AM »
About the golem? Or the shul?
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Re: Is this a true fact about the schlissle (key) challah?
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Re: Is this a true fact about the schlissle (key) challah?
« Reply #17 on: April 23, 2017, 12:27:59 AM »
The baking of a key inside a bread is a non-Jewish custom which has its foundation in Christian, and possibly even earlier, pagan culture. At least one old Irish source tells how at times when a town was under attack, the men said, “let our women-folk be instructed in the art of baking cakes containing keys.”[7]
Keys were traditionally manufactured in the form of a cross, the traditional symbol of Christianity,[8] a physical item all Christian commoners would posses in their home.[9] On Easter, the Christian holiday which celebrates the idea of Jesus ‘rising’ from the dead, they would bake the symbol of Jesus—the key shaped like a cross—into or onto a rising loaf.[10] This was not only a religious gesture, but the bread was a special holiday treat. Sometimes these breads were wholly formed in the shape of a cross; other times the shape of a cross was made out of dough and applied on top. In the context of historically baking a key into bread—the key itself, intrinsically, was a symbol of Christianity and by extension symbolized Jesus ‘rising’ in the dough.[11]


Connection to Passover
The modern Jewish custom of baking the symbolic shlissel challah, annually takes place on the shabbat immediately following the holiday of Pessah, when tens (if not hundreds) of thousands of religiously observant Jewish women[12] practice this observance.
In Christianity, baked goods associated with keys are commonly called ‘Easter breads,’[13] and in Europe they are also known as ‘Paschals,’[14] as the holiday of Easter in the East is known as ‘Pascha’ or ‘Pascua.’ This is most likely the reason Christians often call Easter breads baked with keys Paschals.[15] Before the Romans destroyed the Beit HaMikdash (the holy Temple) in Jerusalem, the focus of the Passover holiday for the Jewish people was the Korban Pessah (lit. Pessah sacrifice, also known as the Paschal Lamb[16]). Within Christianity, Jesus is known as the ‘Paschal Lamb.’


Geographic Origins
Professor Marvin Herzog, a world renowned Yiddish linguist at Columbia University tells that dough twisted in the form of a key (among other shapes such as a ladder) were found to top challah loafs in Poland, “…the distribution of some of these things was a regional matter.”[17] As an example of the regionality, Prof. Herzog created a map demonstrating where dough was shaped as a ladder and placed on challah, and how it was specific only to certain communities and was not universal. Insomuch as a ladder motif was regional, it can be conjectured that the use of a key or key motif could have evolved the same way. Both a ladder and a key are symbolic as tools that could metaphysically help one attain heaven, as they both help ‘gain access.’


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Re: Is this a true fact about the schlissle (key) challah?
« Reply #18 on: April 23, 2017, 12:35:02 AM »
The baking of a key inside a bread is a non-Jewish custom which has its foundation in Christian, and possibly even earlier, pagan culture. At least one old Irish source tells how at times when a town was under attack, the men said, “let our women-folk be instructed in the art of baking cakes containing keys.”[7]
Keys were traditionally manufactured in the form of a cross, the traditional symbol of Christianity,[8] a physical item all Christian commoners would posses in their home.[9] On Easter, the Christian holiday which celebrates the idea of Jesus ‘rising’ from the dead, they would bake the symbol of Jesus—the key shaped like a cross—into or onto a rising loaf.[10] This was not only a religious gesture, but the bread was a special holiday treat. Sometimes these breads were wholly formed in the shape of a cross; other times the shape of a cross was made out of dough and applied on top. In the context of historically baking a key into bread—the key itself, intrinsically, was a symbol of Christianity and by extension symbolized Jesus ‘rising’ in the dough.[11]


Connection to Passover
The modern Jewish custom of baking the symbolic shlissel challah, annually takes place on the shabbat immediately following the holiday of Pessah, when tens (if not hundreds) of thousands of religiously observant Jewish women[12] practice this observance.
In Christianity, baked goods associated with keys are commonly called ‘Easter breads,’[13] and in Europe they are also known as ‘Paschals,’[14] as the holiday of Easter in the East is known as ‘Pascha’ or ‘Pascua.’ This is most likely the reason Christians often call Easter breads baked with keys Paschals.[15] Before the Romans destroyed the Beit HaMikdash (the holy Temple) in Jerusalem, the focus of the Passover holiday for the Jewish people was the Korban Pessah (lit. Pessah sacrifice, also known as the Paschal Lamb[16]). Within Christianity, Jesus is known as the ‘Paschal Lamb.’


Geographic Origins
Professor Marvin Herzog, a world renowned Yiddish linguist at Columbia University tells that dough twisted in the form of a key (among other shapes such as a ladder) were found to top challah loafs in Poland, “…the distribution of some of these things was a regional matter.”[17] As an example of the regionality, Prof. Herzog created a map demonstrating where dough was shaped as a ladder and placed on challah, and how it was specific only to certain communities and was not universal. Insomuch as a ladder motif was regional, it can be conjectured that the use of a key or key motif could have evolved the same way. Both a ladder and a key are symbolic as tools that could metaphysically help one attain heaven, as they both help ‘gain access.’
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Re: Is this a true fact about the schlissle (key) challah?
« Reply #19 on: April 23, 2017, 12:35:56 AM »
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the source to the whole thing is sefer hatodah, which is relatively recent, and no reliable if i remember correctly

correction, the apter rav said a nice thing to do