Non-Tesla EV Electric Vehicles Master Thread

[avromie7]

3 feet is much bigger?
Only real difference is cargo area with seats. Curios as to the calculations. I know Tesla seats go all the way down. I think EV6 does as well.

24.4 to 30.2 is close to 25% more.

[avromie7]

I think the Ioniq 5 and EV6 are they best tesla competitors. Especially with 800 volt architecture having much shorter charge times.

[yelped]

There are some brokers on Leasehackr that are able to get Kia EV6s and Ioniq 5s for MSRP or close to it.

[jye]

Sounds like a couple of morons. The first giveaway is their shock at the charging curve, this is the basics and they had no idea. You never charge past 80% (even 80% is pushing it) unless you absolutely must (like driving through increasingly rare "dead zones") or if the car is sitting anyways like overnight. You also don't look for a 24kW charger. To me it sounds like they intentionally tried to have the worst road trip experience possible, so they can write an anti-EV article.

Is there a better way to make the trip in comparable time to a non electric vehicle?

[coffeebean]

I've already created such a thread

[coffeebean]

Anyway, "Non Teslas" is a bit much... Tesla is one of the 10s of EV manufacturers.

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=122210.msg2375242#msg2375242

[avromie7]

Is there a better way to make the trip in comparable time to a non electric vehicle?

Their goal was around 500 miles per day. The correct way to do this would be to start with a full charge and you can go at least 200-250 miles until the first charging stop. Charging at a 350kW charger would be great, but even 150kW will get the car back to ~80% in 20-30 minutes, which is enough time for a short lunch break. The next stretch will be close to 200 miles, followed by a 10 minute bathroom break to charge enough to get to your hotel. Make sure the hotel you're staying at has a destination charger, so you can start the next day with a full charge again.

To answer your question, unless your goal is to drive non-stop, you can definitely do the trip in a comparable time to ICE cars.

[rs242]

Their goal was around 500 miles per day. The correct way to do this would be to start with a full charge and you can go at least 200-250 miles until the first charging stop. Charging at a 350kW charger would be great, but even 150kW will get the car back to ~80% in 20-30 minutes, which is enough time for a short lunch break. The next stretch will be close to 200 miles, followed by a 10 minute bathroom break to charge enough to get to your hotel. Make sure the hotel you're staying at has a destination charger, so you can start the next day with a full charge again.

To answer your question, unless your goal is to drive non-stop, you can definitely do the trip in a comparable time to ICE cars.

Problem is when u drive a EV u don’t actually get 200 miles on a 200 miles charge

[avromie7]

Problem is when u drive a EV u don’t actually get 200 miles on a 200 miles charge

I accounted for that. An EV6 with 310 miles of range will have 248 miles when charged to 80%.

[Dan]

Anyway, "Non Teslas" is a bit much... Tesla is one of the 10s of EV manufacturers.

That just happens to have a 75% market share.

[yelped]

That just happens to have a 75% market share.

Currently. Every manufacturer is coming out with a wide range of EVs.

[avromie7]

Currently. Every manufacturer is coming out with a wide range of EVs.

Wide range is irrelevant. Only production volume is important.

[yelped]

Wide range is irrelevant. Only production volume is important.

Agree, but give it some time (yes, I know they had plenty of time until now).

[Yo ssi]

https://www.theverge.com/2022/6/7/23158382/ford-f150-lightning-tesla-adapter-charger-power

[Ver hut gazugt]

I accounted for that. An EV6 with 310 miles of range will have 248 miles when charged to 80%.

but those are not real life miles and only based on a brand new car/battery. Add ac/heat etc. probably take off another 20% and some more for battery degradation. I don’t think Ev’s are meant for road trips and they don’t need to be. How often do people go on road trips?. As long as it’s easy to plug in and can handle a persons daily driving needs what is the cost vs benefit of having more mileage?

[avromie7]

but those are not real life miles and only based on a brand new car/battery. Add ac/heat etc. probably take off another 20% and some more for battery degradation. I don’t think Ev’s are meant for road trips and they don’t need to be. How often do people go on road trips?. As long as it’s easy to plug in and can handle a persons daily driving needs what is the cost vs benefit of having more mileage?

Our scenario only needed 200 miles of range. Even if you can only do 180 miles, you'll need only a few more minutes on the second charging stop.

[jye]

Seems like the severe weather really did a job on the battery. Wipers plus wind resistance plus more rolling resistance on flooded roads?

[A3]

https://www.forbes.com/wheels/features/kia-ev6-electric-road-trip/

[12HRS]

https://www.forbes.com/wheels/features/kia-ev6-electric-road-trip/

hes stopping too early and charging too high, I did 5%-80% in 18min (ioniq 5). admittedly 5% is a bit too low for comfort but it brings the point out. Anything over 80% while on a road trip is wasted time since charging slows drastically (and this also skews his numbers).

If he would have stopped at 80% first time he would have hit next station with 20% and if he only charged till 80% there it would have been faster stops both times.

I admit this is easier said then done depending on locations of charging stations, I had to stop at a different one then planned when I was at 5% but still I personally wouldn't waste time sitting while its charging past 80%

[yuneeq]

Agree, but give it some time (yes, I know they had plenty of time until now).

So request the title change in a few years when they do