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[ExGingi]

Which restaurants in Lakewood serve CHK meat?

I would personally exclude HECHSHERIM (making the distinction from actual Kashrus) from the discussion (though Shechita also traditionally has communal protections).

[aygart]

Which restaurants in Lakewood serve CHK meat?

Why are you looking for some hothead to get involved? I don't keep track of it and don't remember specifically where.

[Dan]

Why are you looking for some hothead to get involved? I don't keep track of it and don't remember specifically where.

If it exists, I'd like to show CLE Kosher that they are wrong for passing the blame to the KCL.
Ironically CLE Kosher normally uses Star-K policies for all kashrus questions, and Baltimore restaurants do have CHK meat. But for this issue they're pointing to the KCL.

This is also despite R' Weissmandel saying that he takes achrayis for Shor Habor meat.

[Pony]

That's not what I heard from a semi-Heimish non-lubavitcher lakewood friend (I've heard from lubavitcher friends in lakewood too, but if the nonlubavitch ones get cheppered about it b/c they're "heimish", what does that tell you?). He said there are still a few yeshivish rebbeim and maggidei shiur for his kids that will knock lubavitch in front of the whole shiur. Yes, when there's antagonism in Lakewood it's only overwhelmingly "only" "soft antagonism" not "hard antagonism"  from what I've heard and BH it's seemingly getting much better, but let's not kid ourselves, there's still a way to go and it's not a one way street.

I guess we don't hang around the same people.

Don't get me wrong, I have heard from respected people strong views on ideological differences that the olem hayishivos has with Lubavitch (and with chasidus in general). I think thats a good thing. We don't need to agree with each other on all issues. We do need to respect each other. What I am pointing out is that what is being called "sinas Lubavithch" is not much of a thing today. 

[Yehuda57]

Which restaurants in Lakewood serve CHK meat?

Local hashgachos not serving CHK is perfectly understandable, just like CHK restaurants don't serve other meats. (CHK not CH. Izzy's, for instance, doesn't serve CHK meat)

I was in a Flatbush restaurant and asked if any of the dishes used CHK meat by any chance, and the proprietor said, "I wish, I'm not allowed to serve CHK." I must have been visibly shocked because he smiled and said, "And would I get my shechita in your neighborhood?"

But if they're allowed to serve other non-local shechitas and refuse CHK, that's a whole other story

[aygart]

If it exists, I'd like to show CLE Kosher that they are wrong for passing the blame to the KCL.
Ironically CLE Kosher normally uses Star-K policies for all kashrus questions, and Baltimore restaurants do have CHK meat. But for this issue they're pointing to the KCL.

This is also despite R' Weissmandel saying that he takes achrayis for Shor Habor meat.

Where is that pros and cons of where you live thread?

[aygart]

Local hashgachos not serving CHK is perfectly understandable, just like CHK restaurants don't serve other meats. (CHK not CH. Izzy's, for instance, doesn't serve CHK meat)

I was in a Flatbush restaurant and asked if any of the dishes used CHK meat by any chance, and the proprietor said, "I wish, I'm not allowed to serve CHK." I must have been visibly shocked because he smiled and said, "And would I get my shechita in your neighborhood?"

But if they're allowed to serve other non-local shechitas, and allow refuse CHK, that's a whole other story

What is the local Lakewood or Flatbush Shechita?

[Dan]

Local hashgachos not serving CHK is perfectly understandable, just like CHK restaurants don't serve other meats. (CHK not CH. Izzy's, for instance, doesn't serve CHK meat)

I was in a Flatbush restaurant and asked if any of the dishes used CHK meat by any chance, and the proprietor said, "I wish, I'm not allowed to serve CHK." I must have been visibly shocked because he smiled and said, "And would I get my shechita in your neighborhood?"

But if they're allowed to serve other non-local shechitas, and allow refuse CHK, that's a whole other story

This has nothing to do with local.
KCL and CLE Kosher allow non-local meat in restaurants, as long as it's not CHK.

[ExGingi]

This has nothing to do with local.
KCL and CLE Kosher allow non-local meat in restaurants, as long as it's not CHK.

Izzy's, for instance, doesn't serve CHK meat

I think it's best to leave Hechsherim out of the conversation, וד"ל.

I also recommend reading the book I posted about, extremely helpful for people to learn about what goes on outside of their own shell.

[Yehuda57]

What is the local Lakewood or Flatbush Shechita?

No idea. In the case of that restaurant, the hechsehr only approves certain shechitas, not "everything besides CHK". I don't mean the shechitah has to be a local one, I'm saying any local place can make red lines wherever they choose. But if your red line is just Lubavitch...

[dm123]

I guess we don't hang around the same people.

Don't get me wrong, I have heard from respected people strong views on ideological differences that the olem hayishivos has with Lubavitch (and with chasidus in general). I think thats a good thing. We don't need to agree with each other on all issues. We do need to respect each other. What I am pointing out is that what is being called "sinas Lubavithch" is not much of a thing today.

The way I heard it, it was not "respectful ideological differences".

And just to reiterate, I do think it's a 2 way street with harmful stereotypes on both sides, but that's probably natural expected human behaviors, and I think it's a wonderful testament to Am Yisroel that both sides have clearly been moving away from those more and more as the years go on.

[Dan]

No idea. In the case of that restaurant, the hechsehr only approves certain shechitas, not "everything besides CHK". I don't mean the shechitah has to be a local one, I'm saying any local place can make red lines wherever they choose. But if your red line is just Lubavitch...

But, but, but Ben and Jerry's isn't anti-semitic. It's just that Israel is the (only) red line!

[aygart]

No idea. In the case of that restaurant, the hechsehr only approves certain shechitas, not "everything besides CHK". I don't mean the shechitah has to be a local one, I'm saying any local place can make red lines wherever they choose. But if your red line is just Lubavitch...

You also need to know how much is an admin not being interested in the hock.  I was once told by one of the KCL rabbonim about a different shchita "we have never been asked to accept it but if an establishment would then we would allow it."

[Dan]

You also need to know how much is an admin not being interested in the hock.

Just about all of the meat restaurants, butchers, and takeout places in CLE are owned or managed by Lubavitchers. It has been requested many times and it's an issue that will boil over.

[gozalim]

We cut an entire chunk out of this very thread

[Pony]

The way I heard it, it was not "respectful ideological differences".

And just to reiterate, I do think it's a 2 way street with harmful stereotypes on both sides, but that's probably natural expected human behaviors, and I think it's a wonderful testament to Am Yisroel that both sides have clearly been moving away from those more and more as the years go on.

I didn't say "respectful ideological differences". I said respected people offering (sharply worded) views on ideological differences. I see nothing wrong with that. My only point is that there is no sina for the sake of sina. We all know there was a huge machlokes years back but nobody is focused on that today.

[Dan]

My only point is that there is no sina for the sake of sina.

No idea. In the case of that restaurant, the hechsehr only approves certain shechitas, not "everything besides CHK". I don't mean the shechitah has to be a local one, I'm saying any local place can make red lines wherever they choose. But if your red line is just Lubavitch...

[zh cohen]

Why are you looking for some hothead to get involved?

The fact that this is a real concern means that there continues to be a level of hatred to Chabad (and that it is acceptable enough that the "hothead" would be able to make a real problem and not just be laughed out of the room).

To be clear, you are not doing anything wrong by recognizing the reality. It is the fact that this reality exists which is the problem.

[dm123]

I didn't say "respectful ideological differences". I said respected people offering (sharply worded) views on ideological differences. I see nothing wrong with that. My only point is that there is no sina for the sake of sina. We all know there was a huge machlokes years back but nobody is focused on that today.

And my point is ashrecha if you and the people you hang around honestly don't have that, but it still exists and needs to be worked on. Like many things, if it doesn't affect the individual they may not even realize it's there, for example, there's a world of chessed & support systems for many tzaros affecting klal yisroel, but if one or one they are close to BH doesn't have that tzarah they probably have no clue it exists. (obviously talking about chessed for more personal issues, not public ones that everyone knows about)

[zh cohen]

To add to this, in Eretz Yisroel, just being a Lubavitcher is enough to disqualify a shochet from working in most shechitos. And the shechitos acknowledge that it isn't about them being unqualified, it is about fear of haters who won't buy their product if they find out that they hired a Lubavitcher.