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Was the '?' in the title put there purposely?
Yes.
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All Lives Matter
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Great examples.
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Exhibit A for EC.  :)

Kindly enlighten me. I hate echo chambers, but don't watch the news, so I only rely on the simple meaning (in context). What other meanings are there?
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Kindly enlighten me. I hate echo chambers, but don't watch the news, so I only rely on the simple meaning (in context). What other meanings are there?
I believe you might have been part of this discussion before. River to sea is in the charter of both sides. Is the meaning the same?

When a 19-year-old college student from Mississippi says "free Palestine" do you take that to mean kill Jews?
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While Mehdi Hassan is technically right (as I pointed above in the translation), if you think the protesters that can't name the river and the sea don't mean a violent uprising, I have a bridge to sell you.

https://x.com/mehdirhasan/status/1785776812817014832
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While Mehdi Hassan is technically right (as I pointed above in the translation), if you think the protesters that can't name the river and the sea don't mean a violent uprising, I have a bridge to sell you.
Not in the market for a bridge but I am in the market for an answer.  ;)
I believe you might have been part of this discussion before. River to sea is in the charter of both sides. Is the meaning the same?
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I believe you might have been part of this discussion before. River to sea is in the charter of both sides. Is the meaning the same?

How about you tell me if the meaning is the same? In principle and in real life. The Israeli Declaration of Independence (which I don't think has the phrase "from the river to the sea" or anything similar, it simply refers to "the Land of Israel") calls for democratic rule with rights for non-Jewish citizens and Jewish citizens alike. This is proven out in practice. On the other hand the PA (yeah, the "moderate" ones) punish people who sell land to Jews.

When a 19-year-old college student from Mississippi says "free Palestine" do you take that to mean kill Jews?

"a 19-year-old college student from Mississippi" is incapable of thinking, has no clue what the words mean. If they would have an honest intelligent analysis of the words they would realize the meaning. As someone stated earlier, many (or most) are simply useful idiots.
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Not in the market for a bridge but I am in the market for an answer.  ;)

It's a once in a lifetime opportunity, for a bargain price. Allows people to avert Manhattan congestion pricing. You can make billions by undercutting the congestion prices.
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Can we at least agree that with most, if not all, such protests (just like the "judicial reform" and other protests in Israel), the organizers (funders) have malicious intent, while most participants are useful idiots.
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How about you tell me if the meaning is the same?
No I don't think it is. When the Likud Party included it or similar words in its charter, I do not take it to mean violence.

This guy has a meaning of peace: “We won’t rest until we have justice, until all people, Israelis and Palestinians, between the river and the sea can live in peaceful liberty,” said Andy McDonald, a Labour MP, at a protest in London organised by the Palestine Solidarity Campaign.
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No I don't think it is. When the Likud Party included it or similar words in its charter, I do not take it to mean violence.

That didn't really require any deep thinking, analysis, or mind reading. The words are simple, the reality is obvious to anyone that cares to inquire.
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This guy has a meaning of peace: “We won’t rest until we have justice, until all people, Israelis and Palestinians, between the river and the sea can live in peaceful liberty,” said Andy McDonald, a Labour MP, at a protest in London organised by the Palestine Solidarity Campaign.

What does he mean by "we won't rest"?

Who is stopping "all people, Israelis and Palestinians, between the river and the sea" from "liv[ing] in peaceful liberty”? Shouldn't the protests be directed at them?
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When a 19-year-old college student from Mississippi says "free Palestine" do you take that to mean kill Jews?
Yes

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When a 19-year-old college student from Mississippi says "free Palestine" do you take that to mean kill Jews?

Depends what "mean" means :)
The phrase literally means what Exgingi is saying.

Does every dumb college student knows what they're saying? No.
Do a small percentage of idiots not realize that it's a murderous chant and think it's a freedom chant? Yes
Does that change the meaning? No

Should it bother us if some chant the phrase and don't understand the meaning? Yes, despite their ignorance they are still promoting extremely hateful, vile acts.
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Somewhat related, a tweet about people who say certain things publicly but don't mean them.

https://x.com/hahussain/status/1785784350048387177
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I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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Here's someone who clarifies the meaning.

https://x.com/dansenor/status/1785661034562289928
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Exhibit A for EC.  :)
Are we doing words which clearly means one thing, but some people who don't use critical thinking convince themselves it means something else when it is not the main meaning of the word?

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