Should The USA And It’s Allies Defund The UN?

[aygart]

But then you start getting into fights over how much voting power each country should get. They’ll each prefer a metric that favors them.

of course. That doesn't make it any less ridiculous that every undeveloped upside down square mile makes up a tremendous portion of the vote.

[CountValentine]

Isn't the issue here that UN favors one country over another? If it was favoring your country, we wouldn't be seeing this poll. 

[yfr bachur]

But then you start getting into fights over how much voting power each country should get. They’ll each prefer a metric that favors them.

The entire point is that the current metric favors masses of relatively sparsely populated third rate bannana dictatorships over the entire western democratic world that established the UN.

We're not saying to give india and china each 1/8-1/6 of the votes.
There are ways to restart the UN without going to a population weighted voting.
Honestly, the fact that even lichtenstein, monaco,(without picking n third world nations) have equal vote to any major power is laughable.

[Ver hut gazugt]

Isn't the issue here that UN favors one country over another? If it was favoring your country, we wouldn't be seeing this poll. 

much worse then that. It’s a vile anti semitic institution. All the while hiding behind “international law”.

[yfr bachur]

Isn't the issue here that UN favors one country over another? If it was favoring your country, we wouldn't be seeing this poll. 

Its not that it favors one over the other, it's that it's lost it's way and doesn;t live up to its charter.

[CountValentine]

Its not that it favors one over the other, it's that it's lost it's way and doesn;t live up to its charter.

Then you continue to work to try and change that. You don't just get rid of it.
It sounds like defund the police.

[aygart]

Then you continue to work to try and change that. You don't just get rid of it.
It sounds like defund the police.

WHen the biggest human rights violators are the ones on the HRC it is time to slash and burn the whole thing to the ground.
Or do a MAJOR reset. Small baby step reforms will do very little if anything.

[AsherO]

The entire point is that the current metric favors masses of relatively sparsely populated third rate bannana dictatorships over the entire western democratic world that established the UN.

We're not saying to give india and china each 1/8-1/6 of the votes.
There are ways to restart the UN without going to a population weighted voting.
Honestly, the fact that even lichtenstein, monaco,(without picking n third world nations) have equal vote to any major power is laughable.

In your eyes perhaps. You think it would be simple to hit a reset button and change the status quo of 76 years?

[yfr bachur]

In your eyes perhaps. You think it would be simple to hit a reset button and change the status quo of 76 years?

NO.
The disscusion was what would the replacement be.
CountValentine (not pinging  ) asked:

If you want to get rid of it then you need to replace it with something, preferably better.
This is like any of these right-wing ideas. Get rid of healthcare. OK, what are you going to replace it with?

[AsherO]

NO.
The disscusion was what would the replacement be.
CountValentine (not pinging  ) asked:

I’m not sure it’s better. The less voting rights you give smaller countries, the less incentive they have to participate and have their voice heard.

[Savingsbeast]

It is easy to just say end so and so. What is the replacement?

This poll is not about replacement, it's about defunding. Defund ALL the programs that yielded no results. Every responsible country, business or individual would stop throwing money at an investment hat has yielded negative ROI.

Simple question. UNRWA is a relief and human development agency. What exactly has it relieved or developed?

[CountValentine]

This poll is not about replacement, it's about defunding.

Read the first post and tell me it is not about getting rid of them. 

[aygart]

Simple question. UNRWA is a relief and human development agency. What exactly has it relieved or developed?

They've developed hate of Jews and have taught generations of terrorists.

[Savingsbeast]

But then you start getting into fights over how much voting power each country should get. They’ll each prefer a metric that favors them.

How about a metric that favors no one?

If you want voting rights, you must earn it. For instance, if you are involved in a conflict, you don't get to vote or condemn other conflicts. Except, if you have the UN's backing. YES, that includes the USA and Israel.

And so on for every issue. You can't violate something yourself and condemn others at the same time. It's absurd. How does Russia get to vote on a resolution calling for immediate truce in Gaza while being at war with another country? (that the UN itself has condemned) This is moronic.

I don't think ANYONE, including those who are on the Palestinian side, think that the UN is anything but a political show.

[Kobe Bryant]

[Savingsbeast]

Isn't the issue here that UN favors one country over another? If it was favoring your country, we wouldn't be seeing this poll. 

Do you truly believe that this is the case? Do you think most of us simply want the UN to give preferential treatment to one country? I for one do not.

No, the issue here is quite the opposite, the UN singling out one country over all other countries.

Criticize, condemn Israel all you want. So long as it is fair and even-handed across the board.
How is the amendment offered by Canada for last weeks UN resolution favoring anyone? Why was it rejected? How is it anything but antisemitism?

[CountValentine]

Criticize, condemn Israel all you want. So long as it is fair and even-handed across the board.
How is the amendment offered by Canada for last weeks UN resolution favoring anyone? Why was it rejected? How is it anything but antisemitism?

Didn't some countries state it was rejected because it did not include a statement about the innocent civilians in Gaza being killed?

Look I am wore out trying to point out the other side which I disagree with. You all should watch news that you know is anti-Israel to try at least to understand their point even when it is wrong. 

[yfr bachur]

Didn't some countries state it was rejected because it did not include a statement about the innocent civilians in Gaza being killed?

Look I am wore out trying to point out the other side which I disagree with. You all should watch news that you know is anti-Israel to try at least to understand their point even when it is wrong.

the reason Israel supporters specificaly have a problem with the UN is its OBSSESION with focusing on Israel.
there are dozens of conflicts accross the world... Go ahead, look up the statistics, how much time is spent agonizing over Israel, and how much is the entire rest of the world...
I'll give you a hint: In a good year it's roughly 1:1. in many it can be 2:1

[Boruch999]

Didn't some countries state it was rejected because it did not include a statement about the innocent civilians in Gaza being killed?

Look I am wore out trying to point out the other side which I disagree with. You all should watch news that you know is anti-Israel to try at least to understand their point even when it is wrong.

They applauded. They are evil.

[Savingsbeast]

Didn't some countries state it was rejected because it did not include a statement about the innocent civilians in Gaza being killed?

What? are you for real??? Did no one read the resolution they signed on?

You all should watch news that you know is anti-Israel to try at least to understand their point even when it is wrong.

I do.

I have watched hours of Al Jazeera and watched or listened to many Palestinian voices. And as much as I try to be objective and ignore my bias, I really do, I have a hard time understanding their viewpoint. Not always, but many times. This amendment is one of them.

When I'm asking you, it's is because I think that perhaps my bias is too strong and you can offer the impartial viewpoint.