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Re: Help search and find a mekor (source for Jewish ideas)
« Reply #240 on: Yesterday at 11:27:52 PM »
I am sure some will tell you it is this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beltane
https://www.jewishpress.com/judaism/halacha-hashkafa/why-we-celebrate-lag-bomer-part-i/2023/04/26/
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It must be noted that the idea of lighting bonfires is not of Jewish origin. Bonfires were known in Christian Europe as a way to honor Christian saints as far back as the tenth century. They don’t appear as a Jewish practice until the 16th century. The word bonfire derives from the words “fire of bones.” The term became to be used for any large fires used in celebrations, although it is originally associated with various Christian saints, particularly John and Peter. Most Christian scholars say that the practice of celebrating saints with bonfires is traced to pagan, pre-Christian sources which were later adapted by Christianity. Indeed, the Celtics made bonfires to honor some of their deities and spirits. From: http://www.kashrut.org/forum/viewpost.asp?mid=8751. Nevertheless, it may just be that lighting bonfires in honor of the dead may have indeed have a Jewish Scriptural source, see: Divrei Hayamim 2 16:14. See also: http://parsha.blogspot.com/2008/05/is-burning-pyre-to-rabbi-shimon-bar.html.

Growing up in Lakewood I don't think I ever saw a lag baomer fire. Now it seems like it's a must for every school and neighborhood.

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Re: Help search and find a mekor (source for Jewish ideas)
« Reply #241 on: Today at 12:28:34 AM »
https://www.jewishpress.com/judaism/halacha-hashkafa/why-we-celebrate-lag-bomer-part-i/2023/04/26/
Growing up in Lakewood I don't think I ever saw a lag baomer fire. Now it seems like it's a must for every school and neighborhood.

Not just Lakewood, there were almost no fires anywhere in חוץ לארץ. Stolin made a fire, and maybe one or two more, that was it. Nowadays everything goes, if they do it in Meron, let's do it here too, hey it's nice and fun. nu nu.
With that being said, going there again with Christian and pagan origins is so tiresome and nauseating.  ::)

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Re: Help search and find a mekor (source for Jewish ideas)
« Reply #242 on: Today at 08:56:36 AM »
With that being said, going there again with Christian and pagan origins is so tiresome and nauseating.  ::)
Need to wonder if when the Tosefta was published listening various דרכי אמורי including dancing around fires it elicited similar eye rolling  ::)

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Re: Help search and find a mekor (source for Jewish ideas)
« Reply #243 on: Today at 10:53:49 AM »
Need to wonder if when the Tosefta was published listening various דרכי אמורי including dancing around fires it elicited similar eye rolling  ::)

The Tosefta was obviously listing certain דרכי אמורי that we shouldn't follow, not the other way around, looking for Jewish customs if there are similar practices anywhere in the world throughout history and by default assuming it to be the root for our traditions, like we so often see by ones who are majorly influenced by goyish culture today and are quick to assume the same about our forefathers too.