The Lufthansa Anti-Semitism Fiasco In Frankfurt

[EliJelly]

Though I still want to make a wrap-up post or 2.

Good idea!

[YitzyS]

And @YitzyS, likes are free

I'm stuck on these words. Can't even read the rest of your post.

Where do I get them???

[yungermanchik]

I'm stuck on these words. Can't even read the rest of your post.

Where do I get them???

The Value of a LIKE
by Author Unknown
A LIKE costs nothing, but gives much.
It enriches those who receive,
without making poorer those who give.
It takes but a moment,
but the memory of it sometimes lasts forever.

None is so rich or mighty that he can get along without it.
and none is so poor but that he can be made rich by it.
A LIKE creates happiness in the home,
fosters good will in business,
and is the countersign of friendship.
It brings rest to the weary,
cheer to the discouraged,
sunshine to the sad,
and is nature’s best antidote for trouble.

Yet it cannot be bought, begged, borrowed, or stolen,
for it is something that is of no value to anyone
until it is given away.
some people are too tired to give you a LIKE.
Give them one of yours,
as none needs a Like so much as he who has no more to give.

[YitzyS]

The Value of a LIKE
by Author Unknown
A LIKE costs nothing, but gives much.
It enriches those who receive,
without making poorer those who give.
It takes but a moment,
but the memory of it sometimes lasts forever.

None is so rich or mighty that he can get along without it.
and none is so poor but that he can be made rich by it.
A LIKE creates happiness in the home,
fosters good will in business,
and is the countersign of friendship.
It brings rest to the weary,
cheer to the discouraged,
sunshine to the sad,
and is nature’s best antidote for trouble.

Yet it cannot be bought, begged, borrowed, or stolen,
for it is something that is of no value to anyone
until it is given away.
some people are too tired to give you a LIKE.
Give them one of yours,
as none needs a Like so much as he who has no more to give.

Wow, I need to expose you on the "Anyone famous here?" thread!

[yungermanchik]

@YitzyS don't forget about this part:

Yet it cannot be bought, begged, borrowed, or stolen,
for it is something that is of no value to anyone
until it is given away.

[Moshe123]

Chris Smith wrote a letter today.

[chff]

https://twitter.com/OneJerseySchorr/status/1526024464131055616

[Jellybelly]

Chris Smith wrote a letter today.

It’s about time!

[Sam 77]

Chris Smith wrote a letter today.

What took so long? He usually is from the first politician's in such a scenario to respond.

[YitzyS]

What took so long? He usually is from the first politician's in such a scenario to respond.

Maybe this?

Congressman Chris Smith, who represents Lakewood, would be willing to take this to the next level IMO, but he probably won't get involved unless he gets a call from a constituent that was on the flight. There were a number of Lakewood residents on board, as per my understanding, and if one of them wants to make the phone call, I think you can really stir this up. Or they can ask Dan to contact him on their behalf.

[yerushabubby]

Matzav has a very well articulated article about the incident - including crediting Dan for breaking the story.

https://matzav.com/say-yes-to-the-world-but-no-to-the-jews-lufthansas-antisemitic-scandal/

[YitzyS]

Matzav has a very well articulated article about the incident - including crediting Dan for breaking the story.

https://matzav.com/say-yes-to-the-world-but-no-to-the-jews-lufthansas-antisemitic-scandal/

Source: https://www.jns.org/opinion/say-yes-to-the-world-but-no-to-the-jews-lufthansas-anti-semitic-scandal/

[WAM]

And @YitzyS, likes are free, for goodness sake. Imho, when you appreciate someone putting in effort to drive a positive and thoughtful discourse, that's more worthy of a like even if you disagree than a post you agree with but doesn't contribute to a meaningful discussion.

Sometimes, I like something because it's funny. When it's a serious topic, I tend to like it if I agree with the thought. While I can't say with certainty that this is how @YitzyS uses likes, if it is indeed the case, I don't see why he should like something that he disagrees with. It would be akin to replying to a post that you disagree with with "great post, I totally agree!"

[WAM]

@Dan, I should preface this by saying that I applaud your in-depth research and compelling writing, and I do think it was completely appropriate to post it.  My comments were in response to JJ's question, Where do we go from here?  And the extensive comments were only because I was asked. I tried to articulate the thoughts going through my mind over the past week, but reserve the right to change my mind about all of this...
Then let the ADL take over.  They have experience and they have lawyers, so they have a better sense of how to frame this and how to proceed further.  Also, now that passengers have contacted their own lawyers, LH will probably not give further public apologies anyway, so it doesn't seem useful to continue asking them to perfect their apology.

Thank you for taking the time to thoughtfully put together the responses to JJ. Even though that were a number of points in your earlier post that I disagreed with, I appreciate hearing opinions - even if I do not agree with them - when they are presented logically, as you did. I believe that LH will say something that seems somewhat genuine after the pols start going after them.

On DD your audience is interested in the case because it involves antisemitism.  But when you are pushing msm to publicize it to their audience, then yes, I think the more general case would gain more traction.

Consider the well-known “First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out – because I was not a socialist…”  or to paraphrase your final comment, “First they came for the Jews of the ancient religion, and I did not speak out – because I was a modern enlightened Jew …”  This is human nature.  We hear about mistreatment of others – prisoners, foreigners, immigrants, whatever – and we don’t get involved because we don’t identify with them.  So if we want to move people to our side,  it's more effective to start with the ending, “Then they came for me”, that is, to have them realize This could happen to me, too.  In this case, to emphasize the more general problem, even though in this specific case the victims are Jewish.

While I disagreed with this point in your earlier post, that was because I didn't understand your point. After reading this, I think I understand your point now and agree with it too!

I have unfiltered internet, so I’ve occasionally seen some of those cesspools, and avoid them.  But I also know that the sites I generally frequent have more respectful and thoughtful people commenting, so civil discourse is possible.

You may “hate stifling discourse”, but your commenters are doing that job for you.  What rational person would join the conversation, seeing the epithets hurled at those who disagree?

Great point!

And what impression of orthodox Jews does your site give to readers of msm when they follow the link to DD and see these comments?

No doubt, quite terrible!

Saying "this happens everywhere" doesn't feel like an acceptable response.
You’re listing all the things LH did wrong – not checking the manifest, lumping all Jews together even though they weren’t traveling together – and I agree with you.  And I think we’d also agree that even if they had checked the manifest, they would still be wrong to punish a group of 50 based on the misbehavior of 1-2 in that group.
 
My point was only that you had a strong story even without this detail.  When you include everything you’ve learned you run the risk that many readers will skim and lose the thread of the story, so a shorter, more focused article is often better.  It seemed to me that repeating that people were not on a group ticket could have been left “on the cutting room floor” without weakening your general argument.

Without Dan including that detail, many people would then justify LH's behaviour by saying it was all the same group, therefore it's ok.

Do we know that that's the standard procedure at LH?
For your original story, no, it doesn’t matter.  If 40 people had refused to obey instructions, it would still have been wrong to penalize the larger number of mask-wearers. 

But looking forward, yes, I think it does matter, because people tend to remember the most recent thing they hear.  And if LH comes out in a week or two with proof that there were 40 Jewish anti-maskers, then that will be what people will remember, and they’ll question your credibility.  The more you press the argument that there were only one or two non-maskers, the more loudly you can expect others to then proclaim that there were really a lot more, if that turns out to be the case.  So allowing it to be settled privately might keep unseemly details out of the news.I’m not asking who’s at fault, but rather how the story will unfold if it remains in the news.  I’m guessing that the misbehaving passengers would rather not be outed publicly, and I don't think any of us want to see more hateful comments directed at them.

Apparently Dan is very confident that there were very few.

You have called it out.  I just don't think there's any benefit in us pressing it further, and we can let the legal process take over.  Which seems to be the same conclusion you've come too. 

[YitzyS]

Sometimes, I like something because it's funny. When it's a serious topic, I tend to like it if I agree with the thought. While I can't say with certainty that this is how @YitzyS uses likes, if it is indeed the case, I don't see why he should like something that he disagrees with. It would be akin to replying to a post that you disagree with with "great post, I totally agree!"

A primary purpose of the Like button was to eliminate the constant "+1"s that plagued the forums before its implementation. So simply liking a post without pointing out that you disagree is somewhat misleading. However, I could've simply liked that post and responded that I disagree.

There are at least three threads that discuss the use of likes, btw.
https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=65633.0
https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=65898.0
https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=126052.0
I also use the like button for some other uses, which I expounded on here

[Dan]

A primary purpose of the Like button was to eliminate the constant "+1"s that plagued the forums before its implementation. So simply liking a post without pointing out that you disagree is somewhat misleading. However, I could've simply liked that post and responded that I disagree.

There are at least three threads that discuss the use of likes, btw.
https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=65633.0
https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=65898.0
https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=126052.0
I also use the like button for some other uses, which I expounded on here

The Liker Rebbe has spoken.

[YitzyS]

The Liker Rebbe has spoken.

Wow, that is a resume-worthy smicha!

[YitzyS]

One positive thing that came out of this whole story is that I now know how to spell Lufthansa.

[Alexsei]

One positive thing that came out of this whole story is that I now know how to spell Lufthansa.

luftwaffe?

[Traveler718]

I don't think she looks unhinged. I think she looks genuinely terrified.
As she should have been.

She made them delete the video, but thank G-d, they were able to restore it .

For future reference, how does one do this?