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Q: Hi, I searched all over the internet for an active link of the Chase American Airlines credit card and couldn't find one. How did you guys manage to get this card?
A: Ha ha... There's (currently) no co-branded Chase AA credit card, this thread is discussing 'Chase Adverse Action'. As a general rule, AA refers to 'American Airlines', while A/A refers to 'Adverse Action'.

Q: What does Chase A/A look like? Can I do something to prevent that from happening? And once I'm hit, is there anything I can do to get back in the game?
A: To better address all the questions and concerns, we'll divide it in three sections:

1) What Are The Triggers?
2) What Happens?
3) How To Get Back

What Are The Triggers?

Basically, there are two possibilities that might trigger a Chase A/A:
Credit Related Risk
-Opening too many new cards in a short period of time, (even from other banks, and even being added as an additional user is considered as opening a new account, even a spike in your total CL even from being  additional user has been a trigger for many people - Dec 2013);
-A sudden excessive use of your cards;
-Maxing out your available credit limit.
-Buying large amounts of Chase GC (most people didn't have problems but lately some people are getting shut down for this).
Of course, there is no general rule with these things, it mostly varies by your particular credit file and worthiness.

Perk Abuse
-Transferring Ultimate Rewards points to someone else's account other than your spouse or domestic partner;
 both, the sender and the recipient, are at risk of A/A.
-Abuse of the 5% cashback bonus on the AARP card.

What Happens?

Q: What does a Chase A/A look like? How do I know whether I was shut down or not?
A: If you can't access your online account on chase.com, this is not A/A.
    When you encounter such a thing it could be because 1) the website is undergoing maintenance - wait till the site is back up; 2) a sever error - try using
    different browser
; 3) you didn't log in to your account for a while - call the number on the back of your card; 4) a security concern (resulted by a large QuickPay
    transfer or similar - call the number on the back of your card.
    When you get hit by A/A, you'll see a message above your account "Your account is closed and no longer available for use. If you have a balance remaining on the account, please continue to
    make monthly payments by the due date."; your card will no longer work; and within 7 days you'll receive a letter in the mail notifying you of the closure and the reason to it.
Q: Do they close down all my cards or just one?
A: If your shutdown was a result of 'credit related risk', they usually close all your credit card accounts, while with 'perk abusers' they used to shut down all of your cards (April '12), but lately, it is limited to the accounts involved in the abuse.
Q: Do they shut down other accounts such as checking, savings or investment accounts?
A: Lately people are reporting getting their checking account closed when getting A/A'd.
Q: Once my card is closed, can I still access my points?
A: Again there's a difference whats the reason your account was closed. Ironically, if its because of 'credit risk', your points will be forfeited, (and that used to be the case with 'perk abusers' during the April '12 A/A wave), but if its because of 'perk abuse', you'll get a certain amount of time (from 2 to 90 days - as specified on your letter) to transfer or redeem your points.

How To Get Back

Q: Once one was shut down, is there any point of calling  customer service or any other department and try to convince them to reopen the closed accounts?
A: If your account was closed due to 'perk abuse' there is -almost- no way to convince them to reopen it (unless there was an error, and you really didn't commit any violations of the
     terms and conditions).
     But if your account was closed for credit related reasons, you might have luck by calling the executive dept. 1888-622-7547 and trying to explain them why it might've looked like your at risk of default, but in fact, there is nothing to worry about. But of course YMMV with this.
Q: Can I apply for a new credit card after my accounts were closed?
A: Yes. There are a multiple reports of people being approved for a new Chase card after waiting a few months and applying again. But some were not that lucky, and some had their new accounts closed a few days after approval.
« Last edited by Iz on March 22, 2017, 11:26:51 PM »

Poll

Have You Been A/A'ed?

Yes, I've Been Shut Down And Received 1 Cent Per Point :(
10 (1.6%)
Yes, I've Been Shut Down And Received Nothing For My Points >:(
62 (10%)
No (Bli Ayin Horah)
455 (73.4%)
I Was Shut Down But Was Able To Get Reopened After Appeal
24 (3.9%)
Yes, I've Been Shut Down But Was Able To Transfer Points To Miles
69 (11.1%)

Total Members Voted: 618

Author Topic: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)  (Read 1714780 times)

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1960 on: November 13, 2012, 11:17:29 AM »
disagree, Both Chase and Amex concern themselves very highly with the security of their Account Holder's  points. The fact that they may lock an account after strange UR activity is just to protect you.
+1.
This getting worked up/paranoid over everything is getting ridiculous.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1961 on: November 13, 2012, 11:29:36 AM »
Ok I'll trust Dan on this one

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1962 on: November 13, 2012, 11:32:50 AM »
+1.
This getting worked up/paranoid over everything is getting ridiculous.
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« Reply #1963 on: November 13, 2012, 11:49:31 AM »
+1.
This getting worked up/paranoid over everything is getting ridiculous.

Definitely agree

Especially since they switched over to giving you 60 days and just shutting down that card

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1964 on: November 13, 2012, 12:06:52 PM »
This getting worked up/paranoid over everything is getting ridiculous.

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1965 on: November 14, 2012, 01:22:50 PM »
Lots of frum people are on these boards.  Getting worked up is all we know how to do!

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1966 on: November 18, 2012, 01:48:19 AM »
Last week i received the devastating news that Chase shut me down (for no good reason of course) and took with them over four hundred thousand of my UR points. I'm in the process of writing a letter,and had a few questions.

Is there anything wrong if i charged business charges on a personal credit card?

I was told my the lending department to write to Lending Services in DL. Is there anyone else i should send a copy to?

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1967 on: November 18, 2012, 01:53:56 AM »
One question: did you ever transfer points to or from another account?
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1968 on: November 18, 2012, 01:55:06 AM »
One question: did you ever transferred points to or from another account?

People get shut down for other stuff too.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1969 on: November 18, 2012, 02:14:13 AM »
Last week i received the devastating news that Chase shut me down (for no good reason of course) and took with them over four hundred thousand of my UR points. I'm in the process of writing a letter,and had a few questions.

Is there anything wrong if i charged business charges on a personal credit card?

I was told my the lending department to write to Lending Services in DL. Is there anyone else i should send a copy to?
did they not tell you they are giving you 90 days to transfer points out? Any reason you can think why they closed?

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1970 on: November 18, 2012, 02:29:28 AM »
Last week i received the devastating news that Chase shut me down (for no good reason of course) and took with them over four hundred thousand of my UR points. I'm in the process of writing a letter,and had a few questions.

Is there anything wrong if i charged business charges on a personal credit card?

I was told my the lending department to write to Lending Services in DL. Is there anyone else i should send a copy to?
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1971 on: November 18, 2012, 03:11:47 AM »
One question: did you ever transfer points to or from another account?

Never to or from another UR account. May have once or twice transferred some of my UR points to my brother's FF account. But i believe that was done before the T&C were changed prohibiting transfers to family.

did they not tell you they are giving you 90 days to transfer points out? Any reason you can think why they closed?
I wish i had been told that.

They stated 3 reasons:
1) Current loan amount open on all accounts
2) rapid increase in revolving balances
3) to many requests for credit or reviews of credit

My CL from all accounts was at about 115K, with chase at about 53K. Stated income was at 75k.

Been with chase since 2009. My credit history goes back about 7 years (started with Citi cards).

I definitely dont understand their 2nd point. I'v spent over the past year, in certain months, a lot more than what i spent in the last few months. I always paid on time and in full. Earned my point all very legit.  Got a lot of double points on travel and a lot of triple points using the UR program for flights. My only concern/question of any wrongdoing is the fact that some of my charges may be considered business related and this is all personal cards, though i dont know if that is a sin or not.

Welcome to the forum! I hope you have a good outcome with this.

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1972 on: November 18, 2012, 05:13:48 AM »
Ouch. I'm willing to bet the trigger was having a total CL greater than your stated income. :(

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1973 on: November 18, 2012, 08:14:39 AM »
Ouch. I'm willing to bet the trigger was having a total CL greater than your stated income. :(
This is very common so I doubt that was the trigger.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1974 on: November 18, 2012, 08:15:28 AM »
People get shut down for other stuff too.
Going to have to agree with you on that one!  :)
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1975 on: November 18, 2012, 08:20:27 AM »
As opposed to (almost?) everyone else being shut down in the thread, OP looks like he was shut down due to actual credit related reasons instead of perk abuse.

All three reasons in conjunction with one another, especially number 2, are large red-flags.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1976 on: November 18, 2012, 09:02:36 AM »
And this practice is not limited to chase, other issuers do this as well.
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Re: Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1977 on: November 18, 2012, 10:01:38 AM »
As opposed to (almost?) everyone else being shut down in the thread, OP looks like he was shut down due to actual credit related reasons instead of perk abuse.

All three reasons in conjunction with one another, especially number 2, are large red-flags.
Agreed, but then why and with what justification take away his points.
I disagree with most people on this matter in understanding (and agreeing, especially as a shareholder) with why chase closes down these accounts-they are a business designed to make money and they don't like this kind of risk. But I see no valid reason for confiscating his points
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1978 on: November 18, 2012, 10:09:46 AM »
No one is justifying confiscation of points.
Its the account closure that makes sense.
The irony in their current policy is that when you abuse the rewards you still have 90 days to redeem the points, but when you get too risky for credit related issues they confiscate the points.
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Re: Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1979 on: November 18, 2012, 10:17:13 AM »
The irony in their current policy is that when you abuse the rewards you still have 90 days to redeem the points, but when you get too risky for credit related issues they confiscate the points.
Was thinking the same. very strange
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